so buckley wrote a couple of editorials in the early sixties denouncing robert welch's conspiracy theories. right. welch had argued that eisenhower was a commie, and buckley said, you know, you know, that's too much, too far. and then later in five, especially as the birchers really kind of went more radical on the vietnam war, buckley did a bigger thing against him. he really kind of denounced him. but, you know, when buckley ran for mayor of new york city in 1965, even though, a lot of birchers were angry at him, he still had some birch society, some birchers who supported his mayor. right. so it was very hard to what i was interested in, though, is that the mainstream name like goldwater types, they both kind of wooed the birchers and their ilk. they tried to bring them into the fold times, but then they they didn't want the tape, so they wanted the money, the votes, the energy. but you know, i think they understood that electorally. if got especially after goldwater lost in 64 and the landslide where he famously declared extremism in defense of liberty is no vice which was seen really

so buckley wrote a couple of editorials in the early sixties denouncing robert welch's conspiracy theories. right. welch had argued that eisenhower was a commie, and buckley said, you know, you know, that's too much, too far. and then later in five, especially as the birchers really kind of went more radical on the vietnam war, buckley did a bigger thing against him. he really kind of denounced him. but, you know, when buckley ran for mayor of new york city in 1965, even though, a lot of birchers were angry at him, he still had some birch society, some birchers who supported his mayor. right. so it was very hard to what i was interested in, though, is that the mainstream name like goldwater types, they both kind of wooed the birchers and their ilk. they tried to bring them into the fold times, but then they they didn't want the tape, so they wanted the money, the votes, the energy. but you know, i think they understood that electorally. if got especially after goldwater lost in 64 and the landslide where he famously declared extremism in defense of liberty is no vice which was seen really

robert welch on his influence and very goldwater does this as well. how did they do that? or did they do it? >> one of the things i argue is that it's not totally ate meth but no not one person had the ability to be the gatekeeper. birchers there are 60 to 100,000 of them a lot of them were very wealthy. and buckley as an example had a lot of ties to a lot of birch leaders. and some of his readers were either in the society they weren't members but they weree supportive of it. and so it was a very hard to disentangle sub buckley wrote a couple editorials in the early 60s denouncing the conspiracy theories. should argued that eisenhower is a commie and buckley said that is too far. and later in 65 especially as birchers got more radical on the vietnam war buckley did a bigger thing against them. he denounced them. but when he ran for mayor of new york city in 1965, even though a lot were angry atst him he still had some who supported his mayor run. so it was very hard. what i was interested in though was the mainstream of the goldwater types they both wooed theth birchers t

and so another thing is that welch, so robert welch wrote to his friends in the 50s to my letter, longetter charges that eisenhower is dedicated agent of conspiracy and it's interesting there was a lot of the other founders, they become news the early 60s for the actually themselves from it braided they say well, is not official for thee doctrine, in effect, actually two of the first founders, one was noted eisenhower cabinets but they were eisenhower appointees in the administration, and a document in his book, it becomes is huge thing were eisenhower said, my gosh, this is the man this verse sounded like this is when you told me to a points to labor-management committee. and so, the founders especially very mainstream average and in particular with the ymca and the management year, but they say is a particular to about welch, and obviously, some others at least believed not everyone did the society, and average though gets and what is a sense thatd eisenhower had distorted maybe even fill harvey and bob taft, the truth of america's voices on the rightfa for right it would return amer