david, do you expect more trump allies to flip like tavares did?ile their personal freedom and a legal jeopardy they face. they are going to realize particularly for some of these that there is an opportunity to stay out of jail, if they will testify truthfully to the prosecutors. so, no surprise here. when he leaves a trump paid attorney, he actually tells a story that implicates donald trump. look, i think christine that made a reference earlier to all the legal actions facing the president. all four of these. the real telling thing this week is that even as defendants flip and began to say, no, donald trump really did these things, you have a republican class of presidential candidates who all raise their hands and said, i'm still going to vote for that guy. i still support him even if he's a criminal defendant in this race. >> yeah, a low moment in gop politics. christina, what is your take? >> yeah, i mean he's absolutely correct. absolutely no surprise that when he moves away from having a lawyer that the trump administration or trump packs o

>> these things take time. >> they asked tony tavares about the reporting and canepa's letter. cal trans said it's exploring additional funding options for pedestrians and bicycle lane features. it supported the project but said mtc ultimately denied that funding application. in addition to being county supervisor, he's also an mtc commissioner. >> we need to take action. we need to hold people accountable like cal trans and myself. >> reporter: there have been projects to add pedestrian infrastructure. the sell by project and schools and you're not seeing the impact now. why is that? >> look, i've dealt with these. i know in my district $2 million for safe routes to school. the need is so great. we're not just talking about here, but we're talking about regionally. that's no excuse. >> we're learning why atherton's grant application for the sell by project wasn't as competitive. projects with housing are prioritized. that's something atherton has yet to establish for its stretch el camino real. with the investigative unit, i'm candice nguyen, nbc bay area news. >>> the san fra

it was when the indictment came down, we spoke to sources at the time who said tavares, who was known as employee number four, he's the it worker at the center of this, that he had spoken to investigators. then it was later we learned about woodward and the fact he had changed attorneys there. woodward is someone who represents not just people in this case. he's representing people in other investigations surrounding trump as well. he's very close and involved. i don't see him leaving all this. we'll see if the judge rules that it is a conflict for him to represent nauta as well because essentially what prosecutors are saying is that if tavares, this employee who used to be represented by woodward gets on the stan, then woodward would be questioning him under cross-examination. he could possibly incriminate nauta. >> we learned that de oliveira is asking for an earlier trial date than the may 2024 date. is that unusual? >> it is. trump's not the only person who wants to delay their trial. but one of the key questions is here will these defendants be tried together or separate. usually

yuscil tavares. he led to a client, mr. taveras to go before the grand jury and lie.d the effect of protecting walt nauta, de oliveira, and donald trump. that is not zealously representing your client. lo and behold, the minute that yuscil tavares gets conflict free council, the number two person at the popstar jewels of public defender who is known for decades, and she is an excellent, lawyer he immediately retracts his lies and tells the truth. what does he do? he implicates the defendants walt nauta, trump, and de oliveira. ali, that highlights the beauty of the sixth amendment right to counsel because it's not just the right to any old counsel like one paid for by trump pack money, it is a right to conflict free council. a person who has your interests at heart, not don't trump's interest at heart. >> this is an interesting conversation because obviously in trump world there are a whole lot of people charged with a whole lot of things who do not have donald trump's means and, once in, while donald trump pays for their attorney or says he's going to, sometimes he d

and dealing with jack smith ucl tavares who was identified in that superseding indictment only as trump can play for clearly made the decision to cooperate with jack smith after watching his coworker become a codefendant with donald trump and carlos de oliveira apparently decided not to cooperate with jack smith and ended up being added to the indictment as a co defendant on thursday. carlos has life changed for the worst a year and a half ago when he was promoted from valet to the head of maintenance that donald trump's florida residence. it was thanks to that promotion of donald trump six months later asked carlos liver to commit a crime for him according to the superseding indictment. after the security surveillance video at mar-a-lago was subpoenaed by federal prosecutors donald trump told him to delete the video, destroying evidence that federal prosecutors have already subpoenaed is already a crime of justice. they say he told trump employee for that the boss wanted the server deleted and he responded that he did not know how to do that he did not believe that he would have the ri

tavares.w whether it was deliberately or not, the appearance that somebody was concealing information based in part on what an attorney was advising. is that going on here with these other witnesses, the de oliveira's attorney had been representing? he hasn't said for certain if he's got something. i can't stress this enough. put it on the table. you've got evidence of an actual conflict? put that on the table, make de oliveira's lawyer answer for it. >> glenn, judge cannon has an incentive here. she doesn't want to be overturned. she doesn't want an appeal. i would assume she doesn't want an appeal. so what is the best move for her? what is the smartest move for her under the circumstances? would it be having that private discussion at minimum with de oliveira? >> at a minimum. and i understand that a judge will often make these ex parte requests. you know what, judge, if you believe you need more information to at least begin to resolve this issue, let us do it ex parte, without the prosecut

worker as useful tavares, who told carlos de oliveira he did not believe he had the right to delete thege. that is according to the indictment which is not indicate the footage was ever deleted. it is unclear if tavares is cooperating with the special counsel, but sources tell cnn that the new allegations resulted in at least part from information taveras provided to investigators. carlos de oliveira has not yet entered a plea. we try tracking him down after his court date in palm beach florida, about 20 minutes north of trump's -- nobody onto the door. >> but, carlos de oliveira landlord agreed speaking by phone, he said he's not in 30 years and described him as a good friend and the guy. he also told me, if de oliveira knows anything, he says he, should, quote, come clean. de oliveira has worked at mar-a-lago for about 20 years his landlord said, starting out as a valet and then holding various maintenance jobs before becoming the clubs property manager. this neighbor of carlos de oliveira said he knew him for a few years. when asked about the federal indictment, this was his response

that guy, you sealed tavares, is the one who was told that, quote, the, boston trump, wanted securitytage of mar-a-lago and he refused according to the indictment. now prosecutors are going to call tavares as a witness and he's going to testify about being asked to delete the security footage that the granary was seeking a subpoena for. this was a problem for trump in these other cases as well. you've got the six unindicted coconspirators in the election interference case, then you've got 18 coconspirators in georgia. all are looking at the spread stress and legal bills, and will almost certainly be better off if they cooperated and pre--- temidayo aganga-williams and catherine christian are back. you've done week occasions, you start with 19, you're not gonna end up with 19. yesterday we had a guy that was not on the hook. he had not been indicted, this employee. apparently, according to the indictment had done the right thing, but was represented by a trump lawyer, fires the trump lawyer, goes over, he's cooperating. what are the calculations for the folks who are unindicted coconsp

we've issued a letter and that letter is to tony tavares, the director of cal trans and the state of california and it's it clearly this, you hear in the background, you just heard it, this is what i'm talking about. >> yeah, that was a car that was just screeching to make a u-turn on el camino real. coming up in p my full report at 5:30, what superintendent canepa is calling for in the letter to cal trans. we have asked for an interview but they declined. they are examining funding options. with the investigative unit, candice nguyen, nbc bay area news. >>> today marks 150 years since the first cable car rumbled down the streets of san francisco. august 2nd, 1873, is when andrew halladay pulled his car down the street. they have been an endearing symbol of the city. celebrations marked with music, period specific costumes and appearances by several city leaders. the mayor said a few words in honor of the occasion. >> every time you think about some of the amazing things that happened in the world, it all starts here, and the cable car is an important tribute to san francisco's ence,

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and that letter is to tony tavares, the director of caltrans in the state of california. and it's clearly this. you hear it in the background. you just heard it. this is what i'm talking about. >> we hear it. investigative reporter candice nguyen joins us now. we're both very familiar with el camino, especially that stretch. this is a long major artery around the peninsula. but why atherton specifically? why did you focus there? >> i really did happen on this. i wasn't each looking into pedestrian fatalities, if you believe that. months ago i got a call from a samtrans bus driver who said he sadly hit a woman on that stretch. i went out during the day, noticed it was very dark, and it was the border of menlo park and atherton. i noticed she was on the road because there wasn't a sidewalk to walk on. that's when i called our data expert shawn meyers and asked how many pedestrians have died here, and what is the pedestrian death rate so we can really compare to it nearby cities and big cities like oakland and after san francisco. and found that atherton on that stretch is a

let's talk about trump number 4, tavares. request made from the top to delete the video from the servers at mar-a-lago? >> it's pretty significant because, you know, this obstruction that is described in the indictment is coming back out now because stanley woodward currently represents the mar-a-lago guy that walt nauta is stumping around in the bushes with, and if he let that false statement stand, he could not be a client, and the testimony incriminates each other. they are all part of a joint defense agreement, and i think it will cause a problem for trump's legal team as they get in the mar-a-lago case. >> can you expect to see more of this, a low-level employee at mar-a-lago saying, wait, i was told to say these things to protect my boss, donald trump, at mar-a-lago, but i am not going to jail for this and lie for donald trump? >> here's the thing, willie. walt nauta and carlos, they are now stuck in a situation where they have been charged. according to the documents, dual sraeura lied to the jury, and that's a lie. he

one other quick note, anderson, that employee number four, tavares, the i. t. worker.night comment. >> appreciate that. quick update now in the ohio special election that raise the threshold for many in the state constitution. which could come into play with abortion. over 40% of the vote with no, still ahead. at 6. 1%, has yet. 36. 9% of the vote. we're gonna continue to follow counting the vote throughout the night. just ahead! mourners and ireland remembers tornado connor, who was buried today. neeze] (♪) astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go! i was born on the south side of chicago. it has been a long road, but now i'm working for schwab. i love to help people understand the world through their lens and invest accordingly. you can call us christmas eve at four o'clock in the morning. we're gonna always make sure that you have all of the financial tools and support to secure your financial future. that means a lot for

tavares, i think that his name, is a really important witness, and again, trump has lost control of this individual because he clearly didn't like the advice and counsel of the trump appointed lawyer and so as a result he's got a public defender, a very good public defender. and that to help him because he's probably gonna get a deal but at the same time it's a challenge for the government because now he has switched his testimony in the cross-examination when it goes to trial is going to be cross-examined on why he switched but the government knows why he switched and he's gonna tell that story once he gets on the stand because he as attorney-client privilege but he controls the privilege. he can wave those privileges and discuss every communication with his lawyer. his prior lawyer. >> that's an important point. it's also the first, to me the first common formation, katie. there are two things in play. one is the notion of trump world's lawyers, trump getting lawyers for people as a kind of quid pro quo. keep them inside the family. keep them from cooperating. you saw this with cassidy

nbc news has identified this person as you seal tavares, the i. t. director at mar-a-lago. and a very central player in the alleged crime involving the retention of classified documents in the destruction of evidence related to that crime particularly security camera footage. according to the special counsel, when trump employee 4 testified before the grand jury in the district of columbia, in march 2023, he repeatedly denied or claimed not to recall any contacts or conversation about the security footage at mar-a-lago. okay, so, when employee number 4, again yuscil taveras, said he knew nothing about any security camera footage, he had the same lawyer as trump's vallet and codefendant in this case, walt nauta. that lawyer, stanley woodward, was being paid by a trump pack. according to the special counsel, it appears that mr. taveras did not get to choose stanley woodward as his lawyer. stanley woodward was apparently appointed to him by one of the lawyers on trump's legal team. which is, wow. after federal prosecutors told mr. taveras that he was facing possible criminal c

worker -- 's name is ucla tavares -- >> this is employee number four in the original indictment. >> that's right. he is identified as trump employee number four. and according to prosecutors he at first said that he knew nothing about any conversations about the surveillance video. and it appears after he ditched his trump funded lawyer, got representation from the public defender he changed his story and he provided information to prosecutors, this court filing, and he implicated that the former president -- walt nauta his aid, as well as carlos de oliveira, another -- the property manage there at mar-a-lago -- all of them were part of this effort to try to get him to delete the surveillance video. >> that's fascinating. what do prosecutors want to judge to do. >> well, anderson, the prosecutors want the judge to declare that this is a conflict. because dan woodward, who is the lawyer that was representing yuscil taveras is also representing a couple of other witnesses who may become where this is at the trial, he will testify at the trial. and, of course, he is also the lawyer for walt n

now and, as you know, we are looking at this video that appearances, falling out of the sky, in the tavare raejon the russian news agency has provided this video saying it shows a plane matching the size and shape that is falling from the sky. the plane had reached according to preliminary commission of data from the plane 28,000 feet, that it was moving at 590 miles per hour when publicly available flight tracking data suddenly stopped transmitting southwest of the city of tevare. i want to bring in richard quest to talk about what we are seeing. some pretty interesting stuff here, richard. one of the details that stands out to me is this data that was publicly available and pretty amazing we were able to learn about it so soon, the data does know show a steep descent before the plane starts transmitting data. >> the starting point is, brianna, planes at altitude do not fall out of the sky. that is the starting point of any discussion about what happened to this aircraft. in the normal course of aviation, once a plane reaches its altitude, it is at the safest part of its flight. the engin

tavares who is a cooperating witness for the government and was party to that very important discussion where one of the defendants said to him, the boss wants to destroy the surveillance tapes. the bottom line is mr. woodward cannot be in a position where he is using information that he knows because of his attorney-client relationship, he cannot use that information to cross examine his own client. that is a pure conflict of interest and the judge is going to have to decide what to do about it. >> we're out of time, andrew. i want to let you weigh in briefly here. do you think there's a clear conflict potentially here? >> i think it is potentially waivable. somebody else could come in and do cross examination. i think it raises the issue that mr. woodward looks really bad here when he was told by the government months ago about this potential conflict, he did not stop representing a cooperating witness who had information about another client. that's really poor form, and that should not have occurred if these allegations are correct. and it's a problem when you have multiple represen

yusil tavares denied or claimed he continue recall conversations about deleting security footage from inside mar-a-lago, but after switching lawyers, he told investigators there was a scheme to delete that footage and implicated trump. nbc's ken dilanian has more now for us. ken, this seems to be a significant development. >> good morning, ana, it absolutely is, this filing by special counsel jack smith confirming what we suspected when the superseding indictment was issued last month, which was that he was cooperating. hiss testimony was described in the superseding indictment implicating donald trump and co-defendants walt nauta and mr. de oliveira, but now we know from the special counsel's words in a court filing that what happened was when he was being represented by a lawyer who was being paid by the trump organization, he lied to the grand jury. that's what they're alleging. but then when he got a federal public defender he changed his story and confirmed that mr. trump was discussing with his employees destroying surveillance footage that was under a grand jury subpoena, which

what some people are reporting and theorizing is that tavares was liable to be charged and then cameindictment contains crucial evidence from tavares. he quotes de oliveira as saying "the boss wants the forge deleted." this was surveillance footage. the new superseding indictment presents an incredible, extraordinary charge against not only de oliveira and walt nauta, but former president trump, which is a conspiracy to destroy evidence in a federal criminal investigation. not even richard nixon was accused of that. remember, richard nixon turned over the oval office tapes because he concluded that to destroy them would make him look incredibly guilty. the prosecutors are saying donald trump ordered surveillance tapes destroyed. reading the superseding indictment, it's a bit thin on the evidence connecting the scheme to mr. trump. they don't have a direct conversation, at least as laid out in the indictment with mr. trump, which is why they would love to flip de oliveira, but so far he's standing firm. he's got a lawyer paid for by the trump organization, as does walt nauta. this sup