which what would, in fact, happen if all government services ended, our guest with us until 8:30 eddie glaude ask questions about who is impacted, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans and independents 202-748-8002. for federal workers if you want to give input, 202-748-8003 is number to call and you can always text us at that number. follow up on the question, i think most people think when they hear federal employee they think people in the building behind us at the capital or at the white house. talk about the civilian aspect of the scope. >> guest: you are so right. actually we have done it again some on this and you if you ask the american people to think about the federal government, to the trusted, the numbers are very, very low. when they think federal government there thinking about those bickering politicians in washington. the truth is 80% plus of the federal civilian workforce is outside of the d.c. metro area. they are doing all kinds of things to serve the public. i talked about some of them earlier. the reality is they are not bickering. they are spending the

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. >>> with us to continue our conference, eddie glaud at princeton university and matthew dowd chief campaign your reaction to this fascinating interview that dasha carried out with ramaswamy your reaction to it first. >> well, vivek made a reputation of not -- for what is good for the goose is not good for the gander that's clear in this case. he's so antiimmigrant and we discovered it throughout the course of this he has birth right citizenship, basically, in this, and he doesn't want that opportunity -- he doesn't want these opportunities available to any other american that he doesn't deem worthy in this. so i think dasha is right he's become the new version of trump, he says outrageous things, the republican base, many of them seem to respond to it and, of course, he's taken an antiimmigrant tact which is amazing with his family background. >> and just your thoughts on that, matthew was talking about he and his personal family was able, his mother was able to become a citizen he's clearly making a difference about that his family followed all the procedures but we're till stalki

professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr. former white house director of communications to president obama, jennifer palmieri. she's the co-host of the new msnbc podcast, "how to win 2024." also with us this morning, rogers chair and the american presidency at vanderbilt university, jon meacham joins us now. willie, we have a lot to talk about, but we have the former president who seems to be getting a little bit, i don't know, confused sometimes about who he's talking about, what era we're in, whether we have fought world war i or world war ii or we're headed into world war iii. seems he's a little, i don't know, off center. >> the whales and the windmills, that was even, for him, a real tour de force. we can talk more about that. donald trump is back on the campaign trail. he was in south carolina, 400 people in summerville. his first event in the state since july. in a speech that lasted 40 minutes, trump talked about the 2016 presidential race and appeared to confuse his then opponent, jeb bush, with former president geor

and professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr. national affairs analyst john heilemann. washington bureau chief "usa today", susan page. and former attorney and legal analyst joyce vance. >>> let's start with what mike pence had to say, willie. he was talking about the need for conservatism. i was reading jonah goldberg last night in "the dispatch," talking about how conservatism has always been sort of the bulwark to protect america and other countries from radicalism. jonah brought up a great point. the fact that, now, you have so-called conservatives adopting the stand and the world view of radicals and engaging and embracing in radicalism. there's no protection against that radicalism because it's the conservatives who are supposed to be the counterbalance. as mike pence said last night, you know, this is a tragedy for america, but, also, it's a tragedy for conservatism because, again, conservatism, supposed to be the rock. it's supposed to be the steadying force in the debate. it's just not anymore. it's become the radical corner. >> there is a distinction you've ma

joining the conversation, we have professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr., and the host oftlantic" mark leibovich joins us now. >> where is john? >> i have to follow him. >> where is your brother? >> okay. >> i haven't seen him in a while. you know, we were bar mitzvahed together. john leibovich isn't here. >> the last time. >> good to see you, mark. >> eddie, good to see you. how are the princeton tigers doing in football? >> tigers are doing good. but i'm on leave so -- >> you don't know? >> no. >> you're like, it's great. >> the quakers. >> penn patriots? >> quakers. >> how are the quakers doing? >> doing okay, i guess. i haven't been there this year. >> you're not following 'em. >> senior year in college, we went to the final four, believe it or not, ivy league school went to the final four. >> of what? >> basketball. ncaa. it was magic and larry and the penn quakers. >> was it the penn quakers? >> '79. >> wow. >> all right. >> long time ago. >>> all right, a new survey -- [ laughter ] >> just fun factoids. >> president biden is leading former president trump in a hypot

also joining us princeton university professor and distinguished political scholar eddie glaude is backrmer assistant u.s. attorney and president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights, maya wiley's back with us. mark, it's a fabulous piece, perfectly argued, but also sort of a note to all of us who talk about the coup, even when we think we're talking about it in its entirety this is one of the foundational pieces of it. >> absolutely. you know, i realized that as we read the indictments we get one picture of what happened. when we talk about the fact that there were 64 or 65 lawsuits that donald trump and his allies lost, we get sort of a different picture, but what's really at the centerpiece of this scheme was an effort to throw out the election results of four states. and that scheme used state resources. that's what made it different than the other -- the other lawsuits. this was a case using taxpayer resources, using the official seal, using official resources, official personnel to try to throw out the election results of four other states. and nicolle, this is r

our moderator tonight is eddie s. glaude junior. and william s todd. dr. glaude is the author of several books including democracy in black, how race enslaves the american soul, and exodus: religion, race, in early 19th-century black america. we ask that you silence any cell phones and we ask that you join osama con welcoming our guests -- join us in welcoming our guests. [applause] >> how are you doing? good. welcome. >> thank you, eddie. this is my pleasure. it is a blessing. let's jump into this. is that ok? this is a wonderful book, so buy it. so. david, talk a little bit about the archives. that inform this magisterial text. you had access to something most folks simply have not had access to. prof. blight: i had no intention of ever writing a full life of douglass. i had done a dissertation on douglass in 1989. i had edited two autobiographies, etc.. but i had douglass kind of out of my life. except for giving talks on douglass's narrative to teachers. i went to savannah georgia about 10 years ago to give a talk to teachers on douglass's narrative be

and award-winning author and professor of african american studies at princeton university, eddie glaudecord, this feels like one of the most dangerous big lie stories i've covered on this show. tell me your reaction to this report. >> i think it was really sort of a red flag to say all those things we were worried about in 2020 and we were worried about before the midterms in '22 when so many election deniers were running for office, don't feel like it's over because even though many of those election deniers, particularly in the swing states, lost those elections the threat did not dissipate and we already had election deniers in office in many states, as indicated by the map you just showed. we also have a number of them in congress as i'm sure congress member swalwell can speak to. but i think the other thing that's so dangerous about this is election denialism is really a core piece, the core piece of the fraud narrative that has driven violence many, many places across this country and most, you know, obviously the january 6th insurrection, the attack on the capitol. without electi