joining me now is the editor and chief of the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, the offer of that profile, k milley protect the constitution from donald trump. that moment, jeffrey, is a searing moment recounted on paper, but what was it like to hear milley recount that to you? >> i will not say how he reacted to all these things and what we talked about specifically, but i think that there were a lot of witnesses to that. i think it's true that for mark milley, like a lot of people who work in and around the administration, it was a gradual, some would say not so gradual, process, about learning about the character and proclivities of the former president. i think that was a moment that was deeply unnatural for american military leaders, not just mark milley, because they venerate veterans and combat survivors like captain avila. they have the universal respect and admiration and sympathy of generals. so the idea that you would hide them, it runs counter to their instincts. >> then again, trump is still the same person who told john mccain, you know, he's not a hero because he was captured

and jeffrey goldberg, author of that profile and editor-in-chief of the atlantic joins me now. jeffrey, i think the first word on everybody's mind was, wow. we lived in that moment, we saw what happened on january 6th. we had a little bit of inclination, but i think this profile gives us the most in-depth, accurate description of what mark milley did, and i want to read a part of what you wrote. you said in the period before and after the 2020 election, milley did as much or more than any other american to defend the constitutional order to prevent the military from being deployed against the american people and force all the interruption of wars. i guess everyone's question this morning is what happens if this guy comes back? what happens if donald trump is re-elected sfd. >> yeah, that's the question there's no good answer to because the feeling is -- is that the one thing that militated against trump destroying the government to put it bluntly was a combination of inexperience and so-called grown ups in the room. jim mattis and john kelly and hr mcmaster and rex tillerson, al

jeffrey goldberg, author o that profile, and editor i chief of the atlantic, joins m now. rybody was thinking was wow. everybody live in that moment, we saw we saw what happened on january 6th. we had a little bit of inclination, i think thi profile gives us the mos in-depth accurate descriptio of what mark milley did. i want to read a part of wha you wrote. you said, in the chaotic perio before and after the 202 election, milley did as much as, or more than, any othe american to defend the constitutional order, to prevent the military for being deployed against the america people into force stole the eruptio of americas wars with nuclea armed adversaries. along the way, really deflecte trump's exhaustion's to have u.s. military ignore, and even indication, commit war crimes. i guess everyone's questio this morning is, what happen of this guy comes back what happens if donald trump i reelected? >> yeah, that's the question there is no good answer. the feeling is, the one thin the military did against trump against destroying the government, to port put it bluntly, what a co

. >> we are back now with the editor-in-chief of the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg. s piece is that milley told you that if trump is elected again, he thinks that, quote, trump will start throwing people in jail, i mean the top of the list. >> he has told that to some of his friends and various people. this is not surprising, in a way. if you recall a little while back, trump told some of his supporters in a rally, i am going to be retribution. by that, he also means, i'm going to get my revenge on the people. >> he wants his retribution for milley for what? >> he thinks that milley, like other people in the administration, subverted his trump platform. the whole market platform. he thinks that the military served him, right? he did not take that civics course that many of us took that said that the military is there to uphold the constitution. it doesn't work. if you report to the commander-in-chief -- if the commander tells you to do something that is illegal or immoral, you don't do it, right? it is not just milley its problem. there are a lot of people who worked

it was, first came to light in atlanta, an "atlantic" magazine story by jeffrey goldberg.ials talked about president trump's trump to france during the centennial anniversary of world war i in which president trump -- since the story came out by jeffrey goldberg i've since had a senior administration in the trump administration confirm the story referring to american soldiers killed during world war i, buried over there as suckers and losers. not just that. it is something that he has said about mccain, george h.w. bush and others who were injured or shot down during world war ii in george h.w. bush's came. vietnam in john mccain's case, suckers or losers for enlisting. a history him saying these things behind the scenes. >> called mccain a loser because he had been captured. >> said that publicly. not even behind closed doors. >> right. i remember at the time everyone's reaction was, god, donald trump can never survive saying something like that politically. and of course, he did. so saying this, mccain, without mentioning john mccain in that way, i think it was very impo

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thank you so much, and editor in chief of "the atlantic," jeffrey goldberg, you got it. >> you got it watch jeffrey's conversation with former secretary of state hillary clinton and white house national security adviser jake sullivan today by registering at atlantic.com and honestly, we've done the event. we have been there. it's wonderful. >> and we're giving out gold bars. >> you get a gold bar. joe, no gold bar for you. >> definitely not. >> attaching my microphone. >>> and our third hour of manage -- "morning joe" continues right now. >> i have been following these hearings earlier today. i don't know what was achieved over these last six-plus hours. none of the witnesses today were fact witnesses. that means that none were involved in the investigation into the alleged activities in the first place. what's more, none of the witnesses testified today of direct knowledge of what republicans had been claiming about joe biden. smoke today, we just got more smoke. >> that's a fox news host with the same assessment that came out of yesterday's impeachment hearing and came out hearings

depending on the outcome of the 2024 election brand new reporting today in "the atlantic" by jeffrey goldberg pulls back the curtain on chairman mark milley's tires efforts to counter -- tireless efforts to counter an unstable president, donald trump, intent on swinging a wrecking ball into the pillars of our democracy we'll get to that meeting between president joe biden and president zelenskyy at the white house in a minute. we begin with that brand-new reporting on milley's efforts to be described as protecting the u.s. military and the country from donald trump. "the atlantic" reports that trump's disregard for the rules of the military were clear from the very start of milley's term as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff for that piece, quote, at his welcome ceremony at joint base meyer-henderson hall across the potomac river from the capitol, milley gained an early and disturbing insight into trump's attitude toward soldiers milley had chosen a severely wounded army captain, luis avila, to sing "god bless america. avila who had completed five combat tours, had lost a leg in an attack

you can read it right now on the atlantic's website editor in chief of the "atlantic," jeffrey goldberg optimist >> you just don't show it. >> yeah. >>> coming up, republican congressman mike lawler who called out his gop colleagues over a potential shutdown will join the conversation here on "morning joe." we'll ask him what he calls a clown show among members of his own party. >>> plus, secretary of state antony blinken is live in studio he joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious for those over 60, including those with asthma, diabetes, copd, and certain other conditions. but i'm protected. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may