i think the bigger risk for these trump attorneys is, by following trump's lead, in making this veryargument. it doesn't hurt them is that judge chutkan is going to get most of them, and with the public defender, no, the problem is that they're going to lose their credibility. they're going to feel like they're going to make any old argument, and that really hurts the attorney in court. >> reputational capital. it is the thing you draw on over the course of a long trial. of course, we expect the appeal, it doesn't look very good in terms of the round, so we'll see what happens. thank you very much. >> good to see you. >> still ahead, a new york judge, dealing a crushing blow to the trump company. what exactly is the corporate death penalty, and is that what we have here? what does this mean for the trump organization. i'm still unclear, but it will be clarified, right after this break. break. >> yesterday evening, leading republican presidential candidate, declared a fraud in court. a new york state judge finding the donald j trump, in this business, committed fraud for nearly a deca

how does trump win?cured. 0ur border can be secured. we can be safe, or we can be energy independent. we can be respected on the world stage all again, and we can lower inflation. i did it once, i can do it again." and what biden will say, "you know, all the drama that we've had for the last four years only gets worse. "the american people probably are going to have to pick from these two candidates, whether you like it or not. that's probably what's going to happen." isn't the truth that you have conceded, indeed in a book recently, you conceded that trump has — quote — "personality problems, has a darkness within him". but you stick with trump cos you still want to be senator for south carolina and you know you'll be killed in your own party if you abandon donald trump. isn't that the truth? it's pure opportunism. no, it's... it goes this way. there's a dark side to donald trump. and to be honest with you, he was a very good president, from my point of view. i'm sticking with him because i saw what he

, donald trump jr., eric trump, former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg, in trump's aviation controller jeffrey mcconney. cancel. to put that in layman's terms, for now, the trump organization effectively has an outdoor order sign hanging on. at least in terms of its businesses in new york state. which, again, in this moment, at this hour, is a fairly staggering development for the man whose entire reputation was built on his alleged business acumen. it is also not at all that this judge has decided. because of this order, several of the crown jewels in trump's real estate empire, the properties upon which he built his brand, those properties are now in limbo. the precise impact of today's ruling has yet to be seen. trump could lose control of properties including trump park avenue, which is his luxury skyscraper in manhattan's lenox hill neighborhood, he could lose control of 40 wall street, the historic tower trump owns in the financial district. he can lose control of his seven springs golf club in bedford, new york. even his apartment in trump tower, the gilded bunker, an

if against trump, they have a chance. if they— against trump, they have a chance. president stop at a quick one, justine — for moderate _ at a quick one, justine — for moderate republicans for one policy, this is— moderate republicans for one policy, this is where you test policy, in a form like this. it is hugely frustrating because all you hear from donald trump at the moment is the biting crime family, retribution, vengeful disc, taking on the media, trying the chair of thejoint chiefs for on the media, trying the chair of the joint chiefs for treason —— biden crime family. it is not construction, and after the primary season, does that win a general election? .,. , season, does that win a general election? .. , ., ., season, does that win a general election? , ,, election? exactly. it looks like he is robbin: election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to _ election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to victory _ election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to victory to _ election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to victory to win - election? exac

i know trump pretty well.ent, and he's got a decent chance of it, by next year, by the november of 2024, i think the ukrainians are going to have major battlefield success. president trump's not going to pull the...victory...defeat from the jaws of victory. i'm very confident that the republican senate will support a supplemental. the point you make is legitimate. i think there are people in europe that... like the germans. how does this end? let me tell you how... but in a sense, what i'm most interested in is the impact this debate inside your party is having on vladimir putin. to quote dan fried — a respected former us ambassador — he says, "putin thinks he can outlast the americans because he thinks political support for ukraine will be compromised if donald trump wins." well, he's made a series of miscalculations. that would be one of them. we're not going to pull the plug on ukraine. we're going to continue to support the ukrainian efforts to evict the russians. putin's made the blunder of the 21st centu

is trump tower actually part of the trump organization, or is it separate?it's owned by one of the trump llcs. it's this gigantic yarn ball of llcs that have some real assets and some aren't. remember, trump tower is mostly condominiums. he doesn't know knows anymore. he controls a commercial space on the few first few floors. he doesn't even own the land under the building. for reputational reasons it's very valuable to him but it's not his most valuable new york property. it hasn't been for sometime. but collectively everything that he owns in amounts to his most, the most significant component of his wealth is represented by several buildings in new york and another one in california. so if you have to sell these things under a fire sale situation, in which a court of telling him he have to get rid of his assets because he is a fraud and he is a serial grift or, that is real financial pain for him. and i think that that is going to be the hardest thing for him to deal with, beyond just the finances. i don't think the court penalty for damages here is goin

when i talked to trump advisers, they say it's critical for trump in 2024. the group of voters and the state of michigan helped deliver the white house to trump in 2016 then helped deliver the white house to biden in 2020. trump wants to get those voters back so he's coming here tonight. there are signs across the room that say union members for trump. they have stressed the fact there will be union members here. i'm waiting to talk to some of them later to see what brought them here. we know those union leaders, they believe trump is pro business, not pro labor and not pro union. >> kristen holmes, thank you so much for that. let's discuss this with our political experts and our analysts. da david, trump skipping the debate tonight. in our cnn poll of polls, he's dominated by more than 40 points with 58% to just 15% for his closest rival. given that, what is the significance of tonight? >> his lead increased after not showing up at the first debate. so i think from that, the trump team said maybe it's okay that we can skip out on the debates but i don't thi

donald trump is a part _ through donald trump? donald trump is a part of— through donald trump?t of this, right. l trump is a part of this, right. he's ahead in the polls. and he is having counterprogramming but i think with this, especially for democratic voters and republican voter, he he no longer thinks that he should have to earn your vote. that should be owe fencive to us as voters. we want it hear him answerfor the us as voters. we want it hear him answer for the questions and answerfor their him answer for the questions and answer for their past. if donald trump was president for four years and has a lot to answer for. four years and has a lot to answerfor. and four years and has a lot to answer for. and voters four years and has a lot to answerfor. and voters need those answers and they won't get it if he's going to hide away from the debate stage. brakkton, this debate was a lot livelier than the one we saw in milwaukee?— livelier than the one we saw in milwaukee? ., . , milwaukee? yeah, much fiestier amon: all milwaukee? yeah, much fiestier among all of— milwaukee? ye

trump, donald trump jr., eric trump, allen weisselberg, or trump controller jeffrey meycconnie are canceled. to put that in laymans terms for now the trump organization effectively has an out of order sign hanging on it at least in terms of its businesses in new york state, which again in this moment, at this hour is a fairly staggering development for the man whose entire reputation is built on histi alleged business acumen. it's also not all that this judge has decided. because of this order several of the crown jewels in trump's real estate empire, the properties upon which he built his brand, those propertieshi are now in limbo. the precise impact of today's ruling has yet to be seen, but trump could lose control of properties including trump park avenue, which is his lux clear sky creper in manhattan's lennox neighborhood, control of wall street, the historic tower trump owns. he could lose control of his seven springs golf club in bedford, new york, even his apartment in trump tower, the guilded bunker in which he'd sought refuge in new york city, trump could lose control of that. may

donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you -- [ applause ] -- to defend his record. >> reporter: pence took direct aim thepresident's bidenomics -- >> he belongs ton the -- r >> reporter: auto workers -- >> they want more benefits working fewer hours. that is simply not going to stand. >> the reason why people are striking in detroit is because joe biden's interference with capital markets and with free markets. >> reporter: the debate hit on many red meat issues for the republican party including immigration and border security. >> our laws are broken every day at the southern border. every day. and joe biden and his crew is doing nothing about enforcing that law. >> defund sanctuary cities. you see what's happening in philadelphia right now. it's got to stop. we need to make sure we put 25,000 more border patrol and i.c.e. agents on the job and let them do their job. >> doesn't enjoy citizenship neither does the kid of an illegal migrant too broke the law to come here. >>

specifically he singled out trump's apartment at trump tower here in manhattan. trump inflated the value of that property including just the mere square footage by three times. something that he did acknowledge and the judge saying that that massive discrepancy could only mean fraud. now, he also said that he was ordering certificates of business to operate in new york state be canceled and that he would put in place a receiver to dissolve the business. exactly what that will look like remains unclear at this point. there is a lot of confusion even among the parties about how that will play out, but it could significantly reshape what the trump organization looks like and whether it has a footprint in new york city. >> his son eric trump who essentially leads the company on a day to day basis said that both the judge and the attorney general are trying to destroy their company. trump's attorney in this action said today's outrageous decision is completely disconnected from the facts and governing law. while the full impact of the decision remains unclear, what is

trump left office. with a loose approach to doj norms, protecting the reputation of the agency and the cavalier disregard to the privacy and reputational rights of others, mr. durham's investigation operated a headline generator for maga republicans. less than half a year into his investigation, mr. durham publicly disputed the conclusion that the fbi was warranted in opening a full investigation. the violation of doj rules protecting investigations from appearances of political bias. he similarly flagged these guidelines, designed to protect third-party from reputational injury when he used the two indictments to accuse the clinton campaign of a vast conspiracy to tie trump to russia. at the end of the day, mr. durham never found what he was looking for. he cannot dispute a single conclusion in the mueller report. he cannot prove a magnificent deep state conspiracy and he cannot say that the fbi investigation into the trump campaign never should have happened. again, i can see why this would be disappo

so trump is doing what trump is doing. we need to understand very quickly that the shroud of innocence, the illusion of innocence that we're not capable of this actually shrouds the specter of violence. and unless we look it squarely in the face we'd better buckle up because whether he wins or loses we're in for a storm. it's going to intensify. >> yeah. i want to press on that. the shroud. i feel like that could have been an excuse for years 1 through 6. but i don't know that it answers for this, which is year 8. i need all of you to stick around. we'll turn to that. we'll also show you what hillary clinton had to say about the looming specter of authoritarianism in america, both from malign actors abroad and those here at home who are using what we talked about, the dictator's playbook. plus as we learn about justice clarence thomas's history of attending donor events run by high-profile right-wing action and lobbying networks, the most outspoken voice in the united states senate on ethics reform at the supreme court wil

trump's legal traffic jam. six scheduled criminal and civil trials and a civil lawsuit filed by democratic lawmakers against him and his allies. for inciting january 6th. congresswoman barbara lee, the lead plaintiff in that suit, is going to join me live on the program tonight. plus, proud boys behind bars in back-to-back sentencings. one member tied the record for the longest january 6th punishment. today we're going to tell you about that, and if you can't win, change the rules. that is what republicans are doing to try and sway states in the 2024 election. i'm ayman, let's get started. >> all right, mark your calendars. this week judge tanya chutkan set a date for trump's trial. we now know it will be monday march 4th, 2024. if that does sound familiar to you, that's probably because you're familiar with politics and it happens to be just one day before what is perhaps the most important day in any presidential primary season. super tuesday. on march 5th, republican voters in over a dozen states are set to

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barbara, can donald trump and the trump organization survive this ruling? >> no, i've been asked that question so many times. logically, no. it doesn't look like it. somehow, he pulls things out of the air. i don't think that the trump organization is going to survive this one. but, you never know. >> you were in charge of the construction of trump tower, that iconic building in new york. the judge says that trumps xxx apartment in trump tower was overvalued by 100 and 14 to 200 and $7 million due to trump saying that the apartment was three times its size. does that surprise you at all? >> no. absolutely not. because he says -- anything about trump tower was a big blown apply. -- get the highest numbers. anything was incorrect. it was just whatever he thought he could get away with. and he could get away with anything. >> did you see evidence of these kinds of deceptive practices when you were a part of the trump organization? >> yeah. i did. but it's kind of like a different -- it wasn't on a level of criminality or -- crimes that he's done, it was more l

trump? >> about $300,000.of six. >> do you think trump could beat this case in washington against jack smith? >> no, i. don't >> that's some of what mr. navarro. said the final point there being he, having gone through the same courtroom and a similar federal trial, does not think it's old boss, donald trump, will be acquitted. he thinks donald trump will be convicted. donald trump's trial is scheduled for march in that same washington court house. that is our update on what we learned there. still to come, giuliani insider speaking, out and as promised, our nbc historian, michael beschloss, as we take a step back, take it all in, and learn from history. that's coming up. >> let me start this special discussion, which i hope you'll enjoy, with an admission. sometimes here, we are dealing with the little picture, not the big picture. the daily grind, the latest headline, and that sort of a larger history that we are living through. we know that, and sometimes, we find ways to do big, special reports or pull bac

trump, not president trump. i think that's what this was about. defendant trump has different rights and limitations. by virtue of being independent, he doesn't have those unlimited -- he doesn't have a limited first amendment rights. he's gonna be able to campaign, he's gonna be able to talk about this case generally. but what he can't do is follow the same pattern that we saw in our investigation on january 6th committee. we know for example cassidy hutchinson, former president trump and his allies are willing to intimidate witnesses to influence testimony and to push people away from the truth. judge chutkan i think will not let that happen here in this criminal case. >> congressman lieu, donald trump has responded to this already -- this motion being made public. posting online, saying, biden prosecutor, deranged jack smith has asked the court to limit the 45th president and leading republican nominee. he goes on to say, i'm not allowed to comment? they won't allow me to speak? of course, he's lying about that. jack smith says specifically, of

barbara, can donald trump, and the trump organization, survive this ruling?ll, i've been asked that question so many times. logically no, it doesn't look like it. but somehow, he pulls things out of the air. i don't think, i don't think the trump organization is going to survive this one. but, -- >> you were in charge of the construction of trump tower, that iconic building in new york. the judge says that trump's triplex apartment in trump tower was overvalued by between 114 to 207 million, due to trump saying that the apartment was three times its size. does that surprise you at all? >> does that, no, no not not at all. because he says, everything about trump tower was a blown up, vick blown up, life sold the most, apartments got the highest lions. everything was correct, whatever he thought he could get away with. and you could get away with anything, it seemed. >> did you see evidence -- >> so he -- >> did you see evidence of these kinds of deceptive practices when you were a part of the trump organization? >> yeah, yeah, i did. but it's kind of like a di

donald trump? and she says maybe in my leg. she's joking around, but that's the kind of environment that she's in. would you take a bullet for him? to somebody that ends up being the star witness against him. and it's really shocking, and now she has this book called enough, and she's out there saying he is the number one threat to democracy. >> and saying that he, in her mind, is disqualified from being president again. >> without question. that he's disqualified because he violated the constitution and she's trying to say -- and she's still a republican, she's watching that debates hoping that one of these candidates will say something that appeals to her. it sounds like both chris christie and nikki haley have elements that attract her. although nikki haley seems like she maybe disappointed her by not being more forceful about january 6th. it's a complicated story, it's an interesting story. and, you know, when you read the book and you see her describe events, and she describes them through the

you take away donald trump, you don't get him a donald trump.usly, these are bad formats for folks, seven people onstage. i thought some of the questions were quite substantive. what is the vision? what is it? basically, people either do some culture war stuff, or they talk like they are a republican from 2010. about the debt and the deficit. they're gonna bring down donald trump because he ran up the deficit. i'm just thinking, like, i'm not a republican primary voter, even i know that doesn't work with him. do you feel the same way? that there's something, like, a donut hole in the middle of this entire enterprise? >> i do. i started getting text from democratic strategist friends, they thought nikki haley was doing a good job. i knew that was not a good sign for nikki haley. you know, that is right. her and pence, i guess, the one area where i would quibble with you, nikki and pence, pence or particular, offered kind of a zombie reagan's vision, an alternate vision of how we should go back to the pre-trump party. the problem with that, both o

. >> no trump, no problem. some of his republican rivals took shots at him anyway. >>> plus, we are starting date, really the night if you are out in california, good day to our viewers here in the united states and around the world, i am kasie hunt. and it is thursday, september 28, 5:00 a.m. in the east, 2:00 a.m. out in simi valley, california. of course out there still in the middle of the night after the second republican presidential debate whereas we all know, the elephant was not in the room. donald trump opting out once again, although didn't prevent some of his rivals from attacking the frontrunner by name this time. >> donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you to defend his record. >> this is where president trump went wrong. he focused on trade with china, he didn't focus on the fact that they were buying up our farm land. >> you are afraid of being on the stage and defending your record. you are ducking these things. you keep doing that, no one will ca

trump is all about deals. deal. and i told him: is this why you refused to destroy terrorist groups? and he replied: “yes, we will not do this if they, on their part, do this and that.” and i couldn't argue with that. this has helped the economy of the united states, over the past his year reduced migration by 80%. he was an effective president. he is not ideological, he does not believe, he is a populist, not a conservative. none of this matters, no, he made deal after deal. why is he hated so much in washington? what? why do they hate trump so much in washington, because trump doesn’t respect them, he treats them without reverence. washington, as you yourself know, you lived there, it’s all cocktail parties, it’s all about social relationships, pimping, the powers that be, been here, been there, cafes milano, this afternoon i had lunch with these guys. with the senator, that's all that's going on there, trump didn't pay them any attention at all, and he treated them with no respect, yeah, you know, he looked

oh wait, no, that was ivanka trump and jared trump or jared.zy? to the idea of a biden impeachment. there are no charges, it's completely illegitimate, and i think for the democrats perspective, they are loving this. they will not say, it's not admitted. it's only going to drive up president biden's numbers at a time when there are a little bit soft. and i think the longer this impeachment inquiry goes forward, the more they're going to behind the scenes prop it up, and kevin mccarthy is going to be speaker for the remainder of this term, because he's going to have democratic votes in the house to keep him there. has an act of an alpha trump move, on the part of the democratic caucus -- if republicans try and move mccarthy, they're going to keep him in, there it'll make their life even worse. >> that will be quite an interesting political move by the democrats. i have to say, i mean, you could almost, and use the word almost here, very loosely, you could almost believe the republicans if they would have opened an investigation into jared kushne

donald trump.ce, with this key part of the electorate that he does. thus, they are saddled with him. for the time being. tim miller, my friend, thank you for closing out this friday night with me. i appreciate your time and wisdom. as always. >> thanks alex. >> that is our show for this evening, now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell on a friday night, america, good evening, lawrence. >> alex, don't act so surprised. >>>> it's enthusiasm. it is not surprised. it's just excitement for lawrence o'donnell on a friday night at ten. >> it is a five-day work week around here, for once. >> yet. is for once. for you. >> thank, you alex. >> have a good show. >> thank you. thank you. in a motion filed under seal, weeks ago, and released publicly today by the judge in the case of the united states of america versus donald j trump, special prosecutor, jack smith, asked the judge to issue two separate orders. one of which was, to shut up. donald trump's lawyers

>> fight for trump!every intention of joining his supporters' march to the capitol. >> fight for trump! fight for trump! >> did the president tell you this, that he wanted to speak at the capitol? >> correct, yes. >> stop the steal! stop the steal! stop the steal! >> we have the power in numbers. we came here to protect our republic. >> fight for trump! >> the morning of january 6th -- >> usa! >> you will listen to us! >> usa! >> supporters began gathering for the rally. >> biden did not win this election. >> what do you think happened? >> fraud. it's not made up. >> meanwhile, the president's insistence on joining their march to the capitol. >> we're taking this country back. >> had white house lawyers such as pat cipollone very worried. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we'll get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> but nobody could change trump's mind. and as he, family, a

>> donald trump needs to look to himself.e that committed treason by trying to stay in power and realizing that he lost and trying to perpetuate a lie that the election was rigged. to me it also brings potential violence against a public servant that has done everything he can to protect our country. this is a continued example of donald trump not caring about the men and women who put on the uniform and protect us, whether it's how he criticized john mccain, how he's criticizing general milley, telling secretaries of defense not to bring wounded soldiers in front of him because he doesn't want to see that, that's absolutely disgusting. the worse is it of that is that he would have classified documents that men and women of our intelligence services, our military, put themselves in harm's way. i think this makes him unfit for office and one of the reasons that i'm running for president, because donald trump is not trying to make america great again. donald trump is trying to stay out of prison. all of this drama, the people t

the most loyal of loyal trump people. >> the most loyal of loyal trump people and who have already beenndicted. some people -- some of these individuals have also been indicted. we have to think what would a second trump term look like? are these the people running the government, people facing indictments and who would work for donald trump in a second term. that is a question we should ask ourselves going into the election season. >> let's talk about mark meadows who was cleave of staff and you were chief of staff to the chief of staff. you write in your book that in one of the first conversations you had with meadows in the white house, he said to you, cass, if i could get through this job and manage to keep him out of jail, meaning donald trump, i will have done a good job. a., when he said that, did you think he meant that literally, and b., do you think that your testimony might actually result in donald trump going to jail? >> in that moment, when mark said that to me, it was more of a wake-up call and a moment where i sort of felt frightened for the first time. but also concerne

trump should be prosecuted. such statements before this process began without due process are disqualifying. in her decision refusing to disqualify herself from the case judge chutkan said at the outset it worths noting the defense has never taken the position ascribes to it. and the defense does not cite any instance of the court ever uttering those words or anything similar. instead the defense interprets the court's verbal reiteration of defendant palmer and preolla's arguments about their relative culpability as suggesting a secret core view about defendant's criminality. that inferential leap is not reasonable in light of the relevant facts, record, and law. judge chutkan said those two comments at those two sentencings cannot be the basis for a recusal. she said the supreme court has held that a judge's statements made in the judicial setting and reflecting opinions formed by the judge on the basis of facts introduced or events occurring in the course of the current proceedings or of prior proceedings do n

work for donald trump. i get it feels to want to salvage something, and it feels that's what you're describing about going to mar-a-lago, salvaging the things. and i get that. millions of people still like him, but your conversation with your mom that i started with, you acknowledge you were unreachable. how do you reach someone who is as you were in that moment unreachable? >> right. and i don't have the -- because i have my experience, but i think in telling my story i hope to open people's eeyes and minds, whether they work for donald trump. but on a broader scale the people he claims to represent. it's important -- i wasn't a never trumper. i was a loyal trump staffer, and the term loyalty is one i take very seriously now because i came into public service not to be loyal to donald trump. i went into public service to be loyal to my country. i go into this in the book but there was a point where that loyalty became split. and in facilitating -- >> did you know that at the time or did you realize that wh

if anyone wants to congresses and control trump? >> open invitation. >> or do anything, we can talk about anything. >> i want to, say romney, a reckoning, let's move some units for -- >> that excerpt? i just don't know being like, not only is the substance here, but this is really, really, really well done. >> just a class a reporter, an individual, revisiting our set. moment, not -- even a cone of silence. we will get him in a little bit. >> we will, and there is a lot of that book that needs to be discussed. thank you, my friend, as always. >> thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. today, donald trump was rebuked by the one judge who he was helping hoping might give him a leg up. in a new decision, this afternoon, judge aileen cannon appears to have basically ignored one of the trump team's most recent requests in the entire classified documents case. last month, trump's lawyers asked judge cannon to allow mr. trump to view the classified documents that issue in his mar-a-lago club while he prepares for trial. that reques

trump. it was filed by the new york attorney general last year. and the judge found that trump and company deceived banks and insurers by massively overvaluing his assets, and exaggerating his net worth. the judge also wrote, that is a fantasy world, not the real world. this is a major blow for someone who has been a developer that i spent decades bragging about his wealth. >> i am really proud of my 60s. i really am. i have made billions of dollars in business making deals. all my life i have made money i never quit making money. i built an unbelievable company. tremendous cash. i have some of the greatest assets in the world. we have a lot of cash. built a great business with my family. >> this is all just part of two and $50 million lawsuit that trump is facing, which is scheduled to go on trial in new york on monday trump responded to the ruling that this massive attacks the attorney general and the judge and claiming that he is worth more than the numbers that are shown from his financi

romney talks about how after he was the only republican to vote to convict trump in trump's first impeachmental, after that romney says he never felt comfortable at a republican caucus lunch again. romney explains how -- how jarring it was to be booed by republicans in his home state at the utah republican party convention and that if he was being honest with himself, there were moments up on that stage where he was afraid of them. it was utah after all, and in utah people carry guns. sit with that for a moment. the republican party has radicalized so much that its own 2012 candidate for president is physically afraid of the party's face. that is where we are at. do you remember when congressman ken buck entered the political scene in 2010, buck was a tea party insurge want in colorado, and he strongly disagreed with the concept of separation of church and state, and he thought homesexuality was a choice. when asked why they should pick hem over hefemale opponent in 2010 he said, quote, i don't wear high heels. congressman buck is basically conservative on every other issue. he campaigns on b

trump. the most significant are the ones that can put him in jail, the two federal indictments, the two state indictments, one in georgia and one in new york. if you're lying awake at night staring at the ceiling it's the pending criminal cases. but from a business risk perspective, the fact they could lose the right to do business in new york, that they could lose their business certificates, is significant for this company as the judge pointed out, built on lies and fantasy in many ways. >> thank you very much and russ buettner, thank you all very much for your reporting and insight this morning. >> it is a big story. >> it is. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll show you joe biden's message for striking autoworkers in michigan as he became the first sitting president to join a picket line. we'll speak with elissa slotkin on the president's historic visit to her state. also ahead, former white house aide, cassidy hutchinson will be our guest with her insider account of the chaos in the fin

this is about republican revenge for trump's own impeachments, this about donald trump himself, tryingock his political opponent down a peg. once upon a time, i'm sure you will remember this, he did try to pressure the ukrainian president into dignified on biden. this time, he has just found some more willing participants. joining me now is democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. he is the ranking democrat on the house oversight committee. congressman, it's great to see you this afternoon. >> great to be with you, jen. >> before we get to impeachment, there is lots to discuss there. i do want to ask you about the gag order that jack smith is seeking on trump. trump's response was to say jack smith was, quote, wanting to take away the rights under the first amendment. you are an expert on such things explain to us what is wrong with that argument. >> what jack smith is asking for is, of course, standard and courtrooms across the country where there are various limitations put on what different parties to a case can say in order not to prejudice the jury pool or otherwise compro

it's a fight between donald trump and everyone. donald trump pushed this shutdown. if you thought for a second that the extremist republicans who are voting down their own speakers bills are doing so on the basis of some strong moral belief or ideological position, you'd be wrong. donald trump, who, by the way, oversaw the longest shutdown in u.s. history, is, once again, openly rooting for the government of the united states to shut down. 21 republicans, who care more about not getting primary than about serving the american people, are doing his bidding. this week donald trump posted on his social media site, quote, unless you get everything, shut it down. the new york times reports, quote, a person close to mr. trump acknowledged that his support for shutdown was providing encouragement to mccarthy's adversaries. representative matt gaetz of florida, a leading supporter of a shutdown, said in an interview that one of mr. trump 's posts on social media endorsing a shutdown may have had an influence on some members of congress. quote, i think there might have been

, one in particular, the trump filing 30,000 square feet for the trump tower penthouse value and the actual size is 10,996 square feet. and that is not small money. just one example. i guess when you listen to the trump's lawyers or their defense here, this is how things operate. i didn't believe this is any different than how anybody else at my level was operating. how egregious is something like that in terms of the word that he was -- rld would he was operating in? >> trump is not the only person to inflate his assets. the judge points out we're not talking about minor discrepancies, an extra 10% or something. we're talking about massive discrepancies. and trump has been doing this the whole 35 years that i've been covering him. he just makes it up and that is why the judge not only held that all of trump's business licenses are canceled, but he fined five of the trump lawyers, $7500 each, to making up false arguments, for stating the law said things that it said the opposite and other misconduct on donald's behalf. >> and this is a ruling against donald trump and his sons not iva

rudy giuliani has been pleading with trump to pay his legal fees, and all he has his trump signing ons fund-raiser. jenna ellis, another lawyer indicted in the georgia case, his publicly complained that trump has not paid her mounting legal bills or any of her other coconspirators. one of the proud boys, sentenced to 17 years for seditious conspiracy, is hoping the donald trump will be reelected and pardon them. for any of you watching, four have been are considering being a coconspirator to donald trump, i don't think it's going to work out. perhaps the biggest export limitations of trump's loyalty is his former lawyer, michael cohen, now hosting co-host of two podcasts, the author of revenge, how donald trump weaponized portman of justice against his critics. michael, i thought of you as i was watching peter navarro. >> i'm glad you followed me, chris. >> no one was following you with a whistle. in dire straits, talk about left holding the bag, what do you think? >> look, peter should have understood early on, it's not as if we haven't been yelling this from the rooftops. donald doe

beat trump. that was the entire thought process was we got to beat trump for understandable reasons. this is covid. i mean, i it but that that was in the assessment and we report in the book there are a lot of folks in california especially the told told the then vp biden look you don't don't pick kamala harris that pushback against her so much so that biden told eric garcetti, his now ambassador to india then the mayor of l.a. he said eric, what doesn't the folks in california not like kamala harris because he was there was so much pushback. so he knew. joe, let me ask you because we talked about kind of the first two years of the biden administration being tough, but by all accounts, recently i mean, he's engaged in high level diplomacy. the economy seems to be getting, but his numbers are still all underwater. if you think people are just still baked in to their perception of him and how well, i mean, legislatively, the first two years of the biden administration, you know, you could put it on

named donald trump. that 35% who say they can change their mind, look here. donald trump supporters, and we have seen him throughout his time on the stage, they are the stickiest supporters. 83% of supporters are definitely going to support him. 54% of ron desantis supporters say that. 37% of support etc. of other folks say they are locked in. and then you're supporting them now. combine all that up among republican and republican-leaning independents. donald trump at 81% either support them now or would consider supporting him. desantis at 78%. haley, scott, vivek ramaswamy, the next tier here. but look down here. either half or less of these republican independents would consider supporting these candidates or with them. look at that crist number. a third of republicans would support him now. two-thirds won't even consider him. >> these numbers are so interesting. the question that everybody asks that we ask all the time is why? why is donald trump support so sticky and why is it so vast when it relate

if you think about his triplex in trump tower in new york city, trump said it's three times bigger in square footage than it actually is overvaluating the estimation of it by 114 to $207 million according to this judge who didn't mince words and said to that a discrepancy of magnified -- to the extent it is overvaluating $207 million according to this judge who didn't mince words and said to that a discrepancy of this order of magnified by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space can only be considered fraud. now what happens next? part of this ruling the judge basically canceled the business certificates of part of trump organization in that the defendants in this case and there's commercial real estate here on wall street, also a family compound in western new york which will be dissolved according to this judge, there will be a receiver put in place who will work out the dissolving of those properties. including commercial properties. when that holds up if it's affirmed, trump organization no longer exists, it may not do business in new york. there may be some kind of

so donald trump could be beat. but do not mistake that for donald trump will be beat. with the fractured field, it is very difficult as david noted. nobody as emerged as a clear alternative to trump. but listen here, these are two trump voters. they are both for trump. she was for rand paul last time in the primary. he was for trump last time in the primary. both say it is a little different this time. >> i personally doan think he's as strong as he was in 2016. i have people would argue with me about that and tell me i'm wrong and get mad that i'm saying this but i'm going to be honest and say i don't see in. >> why? >> i don't see the same enthusiasm. >> then compared to now. >> i think it would be less now. i think more people in new hampshire were for new england -- were more for trump than they are now. because of all of the legal cases and, yeah, it did impact him around here. >> the challenge is that he's not the new guy. he doesn't sound as insurgent and tweeting up a storm which natalia likes. but he still has the support and can anyone else, not four or five,

trump took offense to this. and said you know, he's invoking capital punishment for this and we know from the atlantic magazine that millie is convinced according to the atlantic, that if trump were to win, he would actually pursue prosecution against him. there are a lot of people who feel that way and do you not think that is a serious proposition, that that would actually happen? >> well, i think it is a serious proposition. you're trying to put me in jail for publishing the book. but the question is just because trump tries to do it, do you think the institutions dissolve? i don't think that happens. i think as long as you still have an independent judiciary, a lot of people may run up a lot of legal fees, but it will result in the country turning against trump and we'll see how this plays out. you know, he's got to get people confirmed by a senate that's going to be closely divided even if you have a majority of republicans. i think how his nominees fair, many of whom will be grossly unqualified and ken pax

they plan to call 28 witnesses, donald trump, donald trump jr., eric trump, ivanka, eric cohen. he said at the time he believed the trump organization and former president has inflated the value of assets and that's what the judge found this week. trump's attorneys have a list that includes 127 people, also including the former president trump. so it is likely he could be called as a witness in this case. now, the new york attorney general's office following the court ruling this afternoon saying we are ready for trial and look forward to presenting the rest of our case. we have not heard back from the trump side tonight for comment. >> thanks very much. let's discuss all of these major developments. joining us now, cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. on the breaking news, what's behind trump's decision not to try to move his georgia state case to federal court? >> well, this one was a genuine strategic stunner in my view. there were plenty of good reasons why donald trump would want to be in federal court starting with the

we're going to speak to a trump business insider who say it's was trump's m.o. to deceive, work with him for years. >>> plus, our fred pleitgen suddenly found himself in the middle of the ukrainian offensive not far from heavily armed russian troops. an incredible report that you will see first. >>> and we are live in southern mexico where thousands of migrants are making their way north, some held at gunpoint. this is an "outfront" exclusive this hour. let's go "outfront." >>> and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we begin with the breaking news. fraud. the judge finding donald trump engaged in repeated fraud for years. it puts the existence of trump's entire business at risk tonight. and a new york judge is ruling that trump and his sons are liable for providing false financial statements over a decade. and here is the judge's ruling. it is a complete rejection of trump's arguments that he did not lie about the value of golf courses, hotels, high-rises, his own apartment, mar-a-lago, arguments that a judge in new york is ruling tonight are bo