if your name was clive staples, you might go by jack as well. if you're attending this session, i probably don't have to sell you on why lewis liberty and law is a fun combination. i hope you'll find our conversation illuminating. whether you are new to lewis or a long time admirer. speaking of newcomers to lewis, we get one nice account of meeting lewis for the first time from george sayer, who was a student of lewis's at oxford and one of lewis's first biographers. he writes, as i walked away from new buildings and as an aside, oxford's new buildings were completed in 1458. i found the man that lewis had called taylor's sitting on one of the stone steps in front of the arcade. how did you get on? he asked. oh, i think rather well. i think he will be a most interesting tutor to have. interesting? yes. he's certainly that said, the man who i later learned was j.r.r. tolkien. you'll never get to the bottom of him, but we're not going to get to the bottom of him either. right here now. but we are going to try to make some headway into lewis's view