now but one thing, i know i didn't have, names and addresses and i was able to get 12,500, barry goldwaterdonors and that changed everything and so by the end of that first year i had 100,000 republican goldwater donors and now we are well past 10 million donors and activists in the conservative movement and i recognized early on i wasn't in fundraising or marketing, i was in the name acquisition and they figured that out too. >> host: have you gotten rich? >> guest: i have not. to this day my team will testify under oath is that i put everything possible back into the company. every fiber of my being, i'm an entrepreneur. i said earlier the definition of an entrepreneur is a risk taker. to this day, i put everything i've got available back in the company and the reason i do that is 1965, started my company in january and went to various conservative organizations, there's a few of them out there and got is goldwater donors, they all agree and we spent one dollar, now you spend one dollar and 50% of the money comes back because you invest in the longtime value of that donor. in those days,

barry goldwater and bill buckley and brant senior and falwell robertson recently all did you know so i'm a i'm an active at the national level longer than everybody except dr. lee edwards. so lee is a dear friend i've known since 1961. and he calls me on the phone one day and says, let's have lunch with this young conservative of you need to know him. he doesn't know you. you don't know him. so we had nice lunch at the mayflower and so i liked the lunch money. so well invited. morton back ten days later for another lunch as he and i. and at the end the lunch, morton said, i spoke magic words to it and the magic words i spoke to him. i said, morton, i want you to come work with and help me build the movement. and he said at that he would taking a pay cut. i gave him a little pay increase. but anyway after some years he left and they ended up working for ronald reagan in the white house. and then that he left and started something the leadership institute and it's in there almost no i can think of as more important the conservative movement didn't leadership institute they've trained w

barry goldwater and falwell and roberson are all dead. i am active at the national level longer than everybody except for lee ed group. i've known them since 1961 he calls me on the phone one day and says let's have lunch with this young conservative you need to know we had a nice lunch at the hotel. i liked him so will i invite them back 10 days later for another lunch he and i. and at the end of the lunch morton set i spoke the magic words the magic words i spoke a set i want you to come work with me and help me build the conservative movement. at that point was taking a pay cut i gave him a pay increase. anyway after some years he left and ended up working for ronald reagan and the white house. after that he left and starts on the called the institute. i must ignore organization i can think of is more important than aa leadership institute they trained well over a quarter of a million young people many, many governors, senators, congressmen, legislators too numerous to mention. right now as we speak the president of my company i am cha

it was kind of interesting. >> you and barry goldwater had kind of a rapport, right? you were very liberal. >> he got me, he wasn't campaigning for you. he showed up in colorado said some nice things when someone asked about, you said you had, i told too many stories already. but is this ok, barry and i served for uh 12 years on the armed services committee and the, and a year and a half on the church committee. so we got to know each other pretty well and we were pretty much geographical neighbors and i found that, you know, the liberal democrats, all he was mr. demon of his age and, but he, he was hilariously funny and he was invited by the republican party of colorado to come give their lincoln day campaign speech. the theme of which was defeat gary hart. now, if you, if you look at the roster of the 80 election, i think we lost 10 or 11 democratic senators including frank church and george mcgovern and a host of others. the brother of the day was the beer guy. what was it? coors. so anyway, barry was beginning to have his terrible problems with arthritis and so on

and i was able to get 12,500, barry goldwater, $50 plus. and when i started in 1965, i had 100,000 goldwater donors and now we're over 10 million. and i recognized the business i was in, wasn't in fund raising or marketing, and i was in advertising, mark zuckerberg figured that out, too. >> have you gotten rich in your business? >> i have not. i've lived comfortably. but to this day my team will before under oath i put everything back into the company. every fiber of my being, i'm an entrepreneur. the definition of an entrepreneur, if anything, is a risk taker, so to this day, i put everything i've got available back in the company and i learned the reason i do that, is 1965, i started my company in january and i went to very conservative organizations, just a few of them out there, and i said i've got the goldwater donors and they all agreed. we spent a dollar, instead now you spend a dollar and 50% of the money comes back because you invest in the long time value of the doan. when in those days, 2, 3, 4, $5 would come back and this is gre

that really drove the story of you and barry goldwater, because everyone talks about barry goldwateris like, you know, mr. conservative, this is such a great example of how people can work together in the greater national interest. >> my title of this book is 11 honest men, and one of the best congressional staffs ever assembled. thank you. >> i guess i would just say that i think it is really important to remember when things actually work right and when there are good people involved in government, just so we can compare and contrast against today. and it is important to remember that it doesn't always have to be like it is now. >> all good points. thank you so much for speaking tonight. everyone's perspectives and experiences has been really important for all of us to learn from, and the book itself is very interesting if you have a chance to read it. i want to say thank you to our audience as well. we look forward to seeing you at future national press coverage events, and if you haven't gotten the book yet i highly recommend it. they will have some signings outside, and thank yo

clinton: hillary came from a town where goldwater beat johnson 80-20. the other 20% thought goldwater was too liberal. but i loved her father. but i loved her parents. it was listening -- interesting how their marriage unfolded in terms of raising their children. he was a really good guy. smart. he wound up working as a volunteer in my campaign for congress in 1974. david: when you were president, three times, we had a budget surplus. a surplus is when you had more lending than you spend. at one point, it was thought maybe we would run out of having federal treasury bills because we would not have any debt. any ideas about how we can get back to that situation? pres. clinton: first, i had a big argument with alan greenspan. he was to my left. he said, we are not going to -- how did we set interest rates on federal securities if we have no debt? i said, that is a high-class problem. we will do with that when we get there. let me say that i also supported obama's stimulus program. and i supported the bill president trump passed into the bill president oba

goldwater was correct in his book, the only alternative to victory is obviously defeat. putin can end this war today by living up to the agreements that russia's already signed for ukrainian territorial integrity. the chinese communist party is watching as it plans world domination by 2049, with the largest peace time military buildup in world history. the regime in teheran continues its chance of death to -- its chants of death to israel, death to america, with drones to putin to murder ukrainians. the axis of evil is clear. you have dictator putin, dictator xi, dictator riici. they must be stopped now or every american will be threatened by murderers that i have seen when i saw the murders conducted in ukraine where innocent civilians were brutally, with their hands tied behind their back, executed and buried by the putin troops. as a teenage republican supporter myself of barry goldwater who attended the rally in washington, july 4, 1963, i will always be grateful for his vision for freedom. in conclusion, god bless our troops who have successfully protected america f

that he went to the rnc to try to warn against goldwater. >> that's right.es enthusiastically lineup to support goldwater, who declared victory by needle in his do good-ing detractors. extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, he said in his speech. when the convention hall erupted in applause, george remained quietly seated. his teenage son, who traveled them to san francisco, we share one thing. if thousand people cheering and our standing alone, i knew he was right and they were wrong. >> again, he sees this as a moment of a testament of integrity of character. his dad standing to thwart history. yelling, stop. tomorrow that conservative terminology. actually, mitt romney inherited from this experience a distrust, a suspicion of -- moving conservatism. always existed outside of it. in the 1960s, with the rise of the radical right, the goldwater republicans. or right now, with the rise of the pro trump maga republicans. he, like, you he's a conservative. when it manifest in this right-wing populous movement, he's repelled by it. he is afraid of it in

you know, senator goldwater got he decided to vote against it all, which was the same reason that he decided to when he when he won the nomination. and that same summer, just a month later in san francisco, with a republican convention, when he decided he was going to vote against it, it was a watershed for his whole career. and he consulted two lawyers on on on how to make the the how to defend a vote against the civil rights bill. robert bork and william rehnquist. those were his advisers on opposing the civil rights bill, which is a pivotal moment for the republican party. turning it from the party of lincoln into the party of strom thurmond and so it entered it opened a battle in congress that that went for a long, long time. but a lot of people don't know that all during the filibuster in the senate. senator russell, my senator from georgia, who i met several times, was the leader of the southern democrats, and he a big easel in the back of the senate explaining. his bill, the racial relocation act, which said that the civil rights bill unfairly targeted the south because most b

in 1964, when republicans nominated far-right senator barry goldwater for president -- >> extremism in of liberty is no vice. >> george romney took a stand against his own party. >> the strongest person on earth cannot deal with the problems of this nation except upon the basis of correct principles. >> what did you learn from your dad? >> my dad is my life hero as a republican governor, he refused to endorse the nominee of his party barry goldwater for president because he thought he was weak on civil rights and extremism. so, that's the person who i try and model myself after, and i'm not quite there. >> his influence is in every part of our life. and we just still adore him, miss him. >> family remains at the center of the romney's life. they have 25 grandchildren and two great grandchildren. the senator says his wife is his closest adviser, and as we discovered in his private office, she's always close at hand. >> normally, there's a life-sized cardboard cutout of anne that stands right there, and they have taken it away because they're afraid you'd see it. there it is, see this? [

in 1964 when republicans nominated far right senator barry goldwater for president -- >> extremism inse of liberty is no vice. >> reporter: -- george romney took a stand against his own party. >> the strongest personality on earth cannot deal with the problems of this nation except upon the basis of correct principles. >> what did you learn from your dad? >> my dad is my life hero. as a republican governor, he refused to endorse the nominee of his party, barry goldwater for president, because he thought he was weak on civil rights and extremism. that's the person i try to model myself after. i'm not quite there. >> his influence is in every part of our life and we still adore him, miss him. >> reporter: family remains at the center of the romney's life. they have 25 grandchildren and two great grandchildren. the senator says his wife is his closest adviser, and as we discovered in his private office, she's always close at hand. >> normally there's a life size cardboard cutout of ann that stands right there, and they have taken away because they're afraid you'd see it. there it is. see

barry goldwater began courting hoover as a mentor in the forties and fifties. hoover's ties thickened conservative businessmen and media figures, too, which we shouldn't forget. like the utility executive bill melander here on the bottom left and, the journalist suzanne lafollette doing such connections. hoover's cold war influence would grow through the fifties and sixties. globally. hoover's reach was a bit more mixed. i think the picture is. in a world upset by world war two and the cold war restraint, difficult to impose. hoover strongest connections were with the republic of china's chiang kai shek and other conservative and moderate anti-communist elites and citizens. through his new ties, the u.s. state congress, private lobbies like the china and japan, lobbies. hoover, though, did work to influence u.s. policy, as he did in europe during the marshall plan negotiations, which he did after his foutrip to postwar europe, which is pictured here in the bottom left. as for the decolonizind world and the communist world, however, hoover was modest in then, in

people forget in 1954 the republicans basically came democrats when lbj and barry goldwater basically stole the republican party. the second point i want to make, he mentioned 1619. the united states had different ports. slaveowners burn to death based on their color. it captured the atlantic slave trade captured by pirates and brought to the u.s. coastline as indentured servants. indentured servants is a seven year sentence. in 1631, that all changed. when he says black people have been suffering here since 1619, have to remember there was one point of import of enslaved people. he had him of the northeast coast and imported it down in the south. they were imported in, the first, as indentured servants. it turns out they work extremely successful. host: i think we got your points. i want to let eli get a chance to respond. guest: i think what you have done is added texture to the early history and the period surrounding 1619, which is appreciated. you are obviously a a student of history. what you commented on captured my attention is that you are at republican and we will all agree

people forget in 1954 the republicans basically came democrats when lbj and barry goldwater basically stole the republican party. the second point i want to make, he mentioned 1619. the united states had different ports. slaveowners burn to death based on their color. it captured the atlantic slave trade captured by pirates and brought to the u.s. coastline as indentured servants. indentured servants is a seven year sentence. in 1631, that all changed. when he says black people have been suffering here since 1619, have to remember there was one point of import of enslaved people. he had him of the northeast coast and imported it down in the south. they were imported in, the first, as indentured servants. it turns out they work extremely successful. host: i think we got your points. i want to let eli get a chance to respond. guest: i think what you have done is added texture to the early history and the period surrounding 1619, which is appreciated. you are obviously a a student of history. what you commented on captured my attention is that you are at republican and we will all agree

a speech for barry goldwater, 1964. among reagan scholars, it is simply known as the speech before ronald reagan was thought of as a b level actor. after that he was thought of as one of the leaders of the republican party. he would be elected governor of california and president 16 years later. the other president is abraham house divided speech. you know when in in the same category rhetorical effectiveness as reagan and abraham lincoln that you're not doing too bad right now our goal here today is to analyze the effectiveness of that speech and figure out why it was so successful. now analyzing effectiveness is not as easy as it might seem to be. you know would think. well we'll just look at effect of the speech but in almost all cases with rhetoric there is no data. if the governor kelly of kansas gives a speech, there's probably going to be no polling, nothing that would tell us whether the speech was effective and if there is, say, six people write letters to the editor or she gets applause three times, it's very

the goldwater of publicans. there were liberal applicants. there were liberal democrats, there was the conservative democrats. most southern democrats. under those circumstances, success in politics required and permitted a bipartisan approach. for example, when lyndon johnson lobbied congress for civil rights legislation, he got a higher percentage of republican votes for civil rights reform and he got undemocratic boats. the consequence of this was when laws passed, they had a credibility that comes from the fingerprint of both parties on the bill. what happened in the 30 years after lyndon johnson i think we lost the republican party was the two parties sifted out. by 1990, there were relatively few democrats. the south went republican. it was meant that although southern conservatives who had been democrats, they become republicans and they make the republican party more conservative because with all this pouring of the party, there is no room left for the northeastern liberal bogans. becomes 100% conservative. the democratic party become

recent, the modern republicans and democrats in the 1960s, they were conservative republicans, the goldwater republicans and there were liberal republicans, the rockefeller republicans. there were liberal democrats, there were mcgovern democrats and there were conservative democrats and there were southern democrats and under those circumstances, success in politics required and permitted a bipartisan approach. so for example, when lyndon johnson, he got a higher percentage of republican votes for civil rights reforms and he got a democratic vote because most of us that were democrats voted against the civil rights act. and the consequence of this was that when laws passed, they had a kind of ability that comes only from the fingerprint of both parties on the bill. what happened in the course of the 30 years after lyndon johnson, i think we lost the republican party was the two party sifted out and by 1990, there were no personal and there was relatively viewed democrats in the south went republican and all of those southern conservatives, who had been democrats, they become republicans in t

system, the modern republican and the democrats in the 1960s there were conservative republicans, the goldwater republicans, and there were liberal republicans, the rockefeller republicans. there were, liberal democrats. there were mcgovern democrats and there were conservative democrats. most southern democrats. and so under circumstances, success in politics required and a bipartisan approach. so, for example, when lyndon johnson lobbied congress for civil rights legislation and he got a higher percentage of republican votes for civil rights reform, then he got a democratic votes because most of those southern democrats voted against the civil rights. but the consequence of this, that when laws passed, they had a kind of credit bility that comes only from the fingerprints of both parties on the bill. what happened in the course of the 30 years after lyndon johnson told bill moyers, i think we've lost the republican party. we've lost this out to the republicans, whereas the two parties shifted out by 1990, there were no first of all, there were relative few southern democrats. the south went r

and so pursuing other forms of conservatism that hearkens back to the time before the goldwater in 1964. i mean, look at the history of the republican party for the longest time, i think since really the republican party was founded until the roosevelt taft split like number one issue for republicans was the tariff, the general tariff. we must have the general tariff. general tariff. there's if you go down to the one of the smithsonian's down, you'll see in an exhibit a brochure from republicans that say, you know, free trade leads to poverty and despair. republican protectionism leads to prosperity. and goodwill to all men or something like. you're right. and that's the tradition that more young conservatives rediscovering and trying to navigate out of these problems, that this neo liberal consensus has left us with. so i want to turn to perhaps the chief remedy that sarah puts forward in the book, which union membership the need to support and boost unions. sarah mentioned this, but there is, you know, a lot of there are many statistics on this that show that, you know, a lot of worke