oleksandr gladun, deputy director. of demography and social research named after ptukha of the national of sciences of ukraine joins our broadcast, i congratulate you. good morning. thank you for finding the opportunity to join, please tell me how many ukrainians there are now within the borders of ukraine and in general, counting those who actually left, do you have that figure? we estimated the population at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, it was 42 million people, that means , according to the office of the un high commissioner for refugees , people left in principle , the number of the population has decreased so much, as far as birth and death rates are concerned, we do not have, we do not currently have complete data for the entire territory of ukraine, the data that are given in the mass media and some of them are made public by the ministry of justice, they concern only territories under control, but it is difficult to make a correct comparison with respect to those territories, as well as with regard to those territories of comparison. regarding the occupied territori