let me go back to you, renato. the thing is the other threshold and tim knows about this, is embarrassment. trump doesn't like being embarrassed. in the civil fraud trial, each of his kids is going to embarrass him this week beginning on went. donald trump jr., i me, you have seen him on social mea, i have seen him, tim has seen. we know what he . he testifies on wednesday. on thursday, it's eric's turn, the guy who snitched on the fact that they get lots of their moy from russia. trump himself, monday the 6th, and then ivanka, trump is extremely mad about that one, that she's going to testify on the 8th. what is the value to the civil case of their testimony and is the prosecutor going to try to use them against their father or just bolster the case that they were lying about the valuations of properties? >> yeah, i think the attorney general and her team have a lot to gain from that testimony. you know, don't forget, joy, they took the fifth a whole lot of times in their prior testimony in their depositions. that

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national security. >> renato, i take this to you. the idea that former president trump shared this with a businessman, then the businessman told his friends and buddies and whoever he plays squash with, whoever he plays poker with. we're talking about a spread of information at a viral level. and we don't know how many times these kinds of conversations happened. how does jack smith even track all these people down? because goodness gracious, you can hear every person that pratt spoke to, there could be somebody else who was walking through the room who overheard this. so how do we even track these people down in an investigation? >> i think it will be very difficult. and i suspect they're not going to be able to do it. this is not somebody who was a close confidant of trump. this is a guy who has a cardboard empire. sort of the big cardboard tycoon of australia. gets in the mar-a-lago club, somebody who is in and around that area could have found that out. we may never know exactly all who was exposed to these secrets. you can under

let's get legal perspective from renato marrimariotti.e kenneth chesbro essentially acknowledges that he conspired with donald trump, john eastman, rudy giuliani and others. what does that mean for the fulton county da's case going forward? >> it certainly helps. look, the way that this was set up, these attorneys were going to have their trial first, i think they went out in front and tried to do that because they recognized at a joint trial with donald trump and john eastman and others, ultimately what was going to happen is donald trump and others were going to be pointing fingers at the attorneys and saying the attorneys put them up to it, the attorneys blessed this and said it was okay. now instead of having that dynamic where the defendants are pointing fingers at each other, now the attorneys are going to say, we committed crimes and these people were part of it. and i think that makes the da's case stronger and i also think it creates problems for some of the other defendants including some of the other attorneys. >> is he a stron

renato, we'll bring that back up because when i say it's a lot to process i think that would be true for anyone especially if you haven't followed all these characters. but how has this worked out to now put more heat on trump in the first upcoming trial? >> well, one thing for sure he can't count on someone like jenna ellis or kenneth chesebro coming in and potentially letting him off the hook by saying they gave him legal advice, that, you know, said this was okay hoar had conversations with them that may have given comfort. instead there's a real prospect they're going to be coming in and testifying for the prosecution and painting a different picture and potentially revealing things about donald trump's state of mind, that are going to actually potentially lead to a conviction, for example, of conspiracy to defraud the united states. >> when you look at the pressure on people like meadows and giuliani, these vows from other lawyers mean they're going to go in in georgia and talk about their meetings and pressers. sidney powell and ellis were putting heat on giuliani. a month ago

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