oliver mcternan. he is co—founder of the conflict mediation group — forward thinking. gilad shalit 12 years ago. thank you for coming back onto the programme, it is good to see you. can we talk to you about the role that qatar is playing in opening the border crossing today, is it your understanding that that negotiation is on two parallel tracks, that the negotiation for the hostages and the separate negotiation for the wounded and the foreign nationals. i separate negotiation for the wounded and the foreign nationals.— and the foreign nationals. i admire qatar because _ and the foreign nationals. i admire qatar because i _ and the foreign nationals. i admire qatar because i think— and the foreign nationals. i admire qatar because i think they - and the foreign nationals. i admire qatar because i think they are - and the foreign nationals. i admire. qatar because i think they are faced with almost an impossible position. first of all i think the context in which they are trying to work, i think on both levels you have mentioned, is almost impossible. you have two very

with us tonight oliver mcternan, co—founder of the conflict mediation group, forward thinking.d in the talks that led to the release of the israeli soldier gilad shalit 12 years ago, so he has lots of experience in this. good evening, welcome to the programme. i imagine you can rememberjust what it programme. i imagine you can remember just what it was programme. i imagine you can rememberjust what it was like at the 11th hour? it rememberjust what it was like at the 11th hour?— the 11th hour? it was a five-year rocess, the 11th hour? it was a five-year process. and — the 11th hour? it was a five-year process, and in _ the 11th hour? it was a five-year process, and in the _ the 11th hour? it was a five-year process, and in the words - the 11th hour? it was a five-year process, and in the words of- process, and in the words of president biden, nothing is done until it is done. i think there is always at this period or time in negotiations — there's always the risk of spoilers, those who are opposed to any exchange doing something that will get in the way of the process. the some

from jerusalem, here is our international let's go live to oliver mcternan, director who has worked inyed a key role in the negotiations surrounding the release of the israeli soldier gilad shalit, held hostage by hamas for five years. before we came to air tonight, we've had another video released by hamas which is quite upsetting to watch. we won't show the video because it's being filmed under duress, and it is extremely upsetting. but yesterday, you'll recall that hamas claimed his wife and their two young boys, who have become symbols for the israeli public throughout this, were killed they said by an israeli bomb, and they said by an israeli bomb, and they are saying tonight that they have offered to return the three bodies, the mother in the bodies of the two children, and that israel has refused. what do you make of that? ~ , ., ., , ., that? well first of all, christian, i think the _ that? well first of all, christian, i think the practice _ that? well first of all, christian, i think the practice of _ that? well first of all, christian, i think the practice of showing i i th