that stephen miller is passionate about.d trump kicked off his campaign with demagoguery and demagoguing immigrants and talking about mexicans may, racists or none of this is hugely surprising. >> i was hearing your story in the new york times -- stephen miller is on the record with you. you noted in the story that trump campaign referred to you to stephen miller. how do we explain the statement tonight that we are getting from that to people who are running trump's campaign saying that all of these stories would look like they say are purely speculative, and theoretical that any personnel list, policy agendas, or government plans to publish anywhere are merely suggestions. >> so, we get to that by the basic fact that they are very upset by our stories, by others and a number of outlets, and we have been working on these stories since june about what trump 2025 would look like. they invoked these groups, of not only these groups, and that they have lost in their minds control of, it and they are angry that seeing groups gett

stephen miller is on the record with you. you noted in the story that the trump campaign referred you to stephen miller. so, how do we explain the statement we're getting the night from people running trump's campaign, saying that all of these stories of what a second term would look like they say are purely speculative and theoretical and any personnel lists, policy agendas, or government plans published anywhere are merely suggestion. >> we get that by the basic fact they are very upset. our stories, by others, a number of outlets. and we've been working on this story since june about what trump 2025 would look like that invoke these groups and not only these groups. they've lost control of it, and they're angry for seeing groups get credit for things they're working on and so forth. a lot of this is not just trump's own mouth but people the trump campaign is referring reporters to. t. >> so, why are they putting out the statements then? >> i assume because they think that they think what trump is saying is problematic for

but my faith in his leadership and the fbi is just about as low as it can get. >> stephen miller, thefact that i think the numbers are pretty close to right. we have under joe biden since he has become president we have close to 8 million when you include got a ways. illegal immigrants, 90 plus% that have never been vetted that are now in this country. and by the way, the cost as put out in a study by the immigration group this week is $451 billion annually to the american taxpayer at a time that we already have $36 trillion in debt. i don't think we can afford that, nor do i think the bigger problem even beyond the money is the national security implications around all of this. >> it's a catastrophe at every level of american society, sean. you opened by talking about hamas. you have foreign terrorist organizations all around the world that are perfectly willing and capable of exploiting our wide open southern border, it joining those tens of thousands i've got a ways that are entering month after month after month or simply entering the flow of people who are caught and released int

that's who stephen miller's. but he also is the lieutenant of donald trump. the person who did not leave or exit the white house when donald trump was in it and i think one of the things we have to go back to here is, elon musk is someone who is not just, i mean he is all the things we are saying, but underneath all of this, including the great replacement theory in the point about donald trump's policy of whether it's building or wall, or the muslim ban where you assume everyone who is muslim is a terrorist, all of the hatred he has stoked, elon musk's platform is so toxic that it was reported and he threatened to sue because independent researchers were talking about the massive explosion of hate. what we have to remember at the base of that, the great replacement theory is exactly the kinds of theories adopted by the shooter who killed black people in a supermarket in buffalo. people who are killing people because they're lgbtq. the thing that we should remember is what we share as a large group of americans. these are not just enemies of a particular peop

his infamous advisor, stephen miller, say what they wanted to will have immigration activists spinningon msnbc. >> hey there, i'm ayman. so night -- joins me to discuss republicans disasters -- and what our party could learn from the massive election winds on tuesday night. that is tonight, nine eastern, right here on msnbc. >> donald trump's extreme immigration policies will only get more extme if he's elected again. that's the plan acrdg to several advisers close to trump. la>> new york times detailed the former presidents visions, which include sweeping raids, the destruction of massive detainment camps, and deporting people by the millions. -- trump also wants to reinstate some of his first term xenophobic policies like banning entry to the united states from some muslim majority countries, as agenda would even restrict legal immigration. ay, esident biden's campaign called the policies extreme, racist, quarrel, and meant to -- trump's senior aide an architect of his many immigration policies, stephen miller, said, quote, trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to imp

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but with trump and stephen miller, and those folk, it's not about expanded executive power.about an strong man who will dismantle checks and balances. who will fundamentally undermined the foundations of american democracy. this should let democrats know that this is a five alarm fire. they need to get busy. because if this man wins, the republic is in jeopardy. >> i'm not sure they feel it's a five alarm fire right now on any of the front they were dealing with. certainly here domestically and overseas. renato, you've got john mitnoick who was appointed as a trump appointed counsel on homeland security. he told the times, no quified attorneys with integrity would have any desire to serve a second trump term. are there any guardrails that are in place, if you will, to prevent or reduce the extent of damage these individuals could unload on the rule of law if trump gets his way? >> very challenging, ayman because we saw that impeachment does not work. for so many issues, that's ultimately what the founders thought was going to be the solution. and i don't think they anticipat

then you had stephen miller saying we need to know how to talk about abortion. well, what the hell were we doing for the last 50 years? didn't we have a message on abortion over the last 50 years? we started very clearly turn, return abortion, the abortion rights discussion to the states the we laid out the value of the proposition over life, for life. so what's different? ah, what's different is you caught the car. you got what you wanted. you started acting aggressively. you baited and switched the voter. you said, oh, you know, we want to make the case for life, and we want to let the states decide. when the states decide it, particularly the blue states in reaction to how the red states were starting to decide on abortion by criminalizing the womb, by criminalizing travel, by restricting access across the board, by saying no longer 26 weeks, but 6 weeks, or okay, we'll be generous and give you 15, and the public reacted. kansas happened. ohio happened. all of a sudden what they realized is, wait a minute, these red states have a different view than we do as

this weekend, trump adviser stephen miller suggested that criminal charges should be brought against the media watchdog group media matters after media matters pointed out that on twitter, the social media platform now owned by pro-trump right ring billionaire elon musk, major mainstream companies were having their ads appear alongside overt pro nazi, pro-hitler anti-semitic material of the kind that floods that social media platform now that mr. musk has taken it over, and now that he himself has started promoting some of the worst anti-semitic contents on the site. stephen miller says people should face criminal charges for pointing that out about what's happening on twitter. you know, it's one thing for a presidential candidate's adviser to point at something like that and say hey, your critics in the media should be in jail for criticizing you. but it's quite another when the republican attorney general of the state of missouri then jumps in and volunteers that his office in missouri is now looking into the matter, presumably to see if he can use the powers of his office as state

reading between the lines here, the most out there trump aides like stephen miller are putting together lists of legal minds they want in a potential second trump administration. and the litmus test here isn't whether a lawyer is a conservative or even conservative enough but instead whether a lawyer is willing to let donald trump test the bounds of legal thinking and concentrate power for himself. and that includes the justice department. "the times" rofrts that advisers are likely to follow -- who are likely to follow trump back into power view white house authority to direct the justice department as proper under the so-called unitary executive theory. that is the theory popular on the right that says all executive branch officials should be under the direct command and control of the president. joining me now is andrew weissman, former federal prosecutor and co-host of the essential podcast. before we get to the legal news today, i found this "the new york times" reporting staggering, the lengths to which trump wants to push everything to an area that no one -- not even a gray area,

, stephen miller, his policy adviser. johnny -- took over the personnel office in 2020 with a mandate to purge the government of people who were seen as opposed to trump or trying to stop his agenda. they are trying to find lawyers who could staff a second trump administration. lawyers who would fill agencies, not white house counsel, lawyers who would find ways to get him to yes on the kinds of policies he wants to enact. he has laid out several of them on his campaign website in some detail. it's a pretty radical agenda. >> lawyers defined the first four year of trump to a degree. they were, kind of, the seat belts, if you want to put it that way -- >> the guardrails phrase gets used a lot. lawyers -- very conservative lawyers, many of them -- >> incredibly conservative. >> correct -- were saying no on things trump wanted to push through, particularly on matters related to immigration. that's always going to be a big driver with trump. you are seeing a push of trying to get lawyers who will not raise those kind of objec

>> i think you mentioned stephen miller, and i would love to sit with him and explain to him what life really looks like. what reality is all about. he may write whatever -- i'm sure he means well, but in reality he doesn't get it. h that's the theory. now, what's the practice? it's like communism. it's fantastic what it says on the sheet of paper, now put it into practice, it's miserable. mr. miller, i would love to have a conversation with him and explain to him what reality looks like. because, one of the big problems that we have is the entrepreneurs. the small business owners, the big people that are in the private sector, they need hands. who's going to fill that? the people that are already here. or we need to fix the illegal immigration. the big minds that going to silicon valley or the tech capital of the world, miami. and work. and pay taxes and be part of the promised land. that's the problem. it's the politicians. the political willingness to fix the problem is the only problem, not the policy. that's why i wrote a pretty good bill, called the dignity act. it's good for eve

have to worry about, what does this mean for the future because elon musk took the call from stephen millertigation but then said who would do this and a few of them started running with ease. why should people court care? because it's a small window into the future where you can basically punish media outlets for reporting accurate things, simply because you don't like them and not only with those outlets suffer, the real effect is that most places are going to stop doing things that might get them in trouble like this, because they just don't want to deal with the consequences or it has a chilling effect. that's why people should care because it's the nest -- next iteration. >> do you think that the exodus of advertisers holds? >> i think so. and i think a big factor to that is that musk's only behavior, he didn't just engage with an anti-semitic conspiracy theory that somehow, and america are funding mass immigration, he responded by saying the actual truth, it's very hard to say oh i was just misinterpreting it, i think his own conduct, helps reinforce why the advertiser exodus state be

victor davis hanson, stephen miller, ned ryun and charlie hurt are all here.ut, first, israel and hamas at this moment are engaged in a temporary cease-fire set to go on for just a few days. hamas releasing a total of 24 hostages. 39 palestinians. we go live now there to tel aviv where fox's jeff paul is standing by with the latest. jeff? >> yeah, lisa, a bit of mixed emotions tonight here in israel. obviously a huge sense of relief, 13 hostages from israel being released today. but sort of bitter knowing that there are more than 200 who remain under hamas control. at least inside gaza. but, if this cease-fire that started today at 7:00 a.m. over and over again for the next three days. in total hamas today releasing 24 hostages. 13 israelis, 11 foreign nationals. among the israelis freed, we know that four of them were kids. ages from 2 years old to 9 years old. now, one of those kids, ohad munsder turned 9 years old while being held captive by hamas. three are also mothers and six are elderly women. but none of the three americans who were held captive have b

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one of the chief architects of project 2025 is a former trump adviser, stephen miller, the white nationalistcula behind draconian and cruel trump policies like the muslim ban and separating immigrant children from their families and putting them in cages. as even more discusting, racist plans for a second trump term. "the new york times" dug into the plans. they include preparing to round up undocumented people already in the united states on a vast scale, and detain them in sprawling camps while they way to be expelled. adding that trump plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year. to expedite the deportation process, they're preparing an enormous expansion of a form of removal that does not require due process hearings. in a statement, top advisers for the trump campaign acknowledged reporting on the plans calling them merely speculative and theoretical. and if you are inclined for one second not to take all of this seriously, just remember that this is exactly what donald trump did with the federal judiciary in 2016. with the help of h

have to worry about what does this mean for the future, because elon musk took that call from stephen millerthe litigation. and then whose game to do this. and the state attorney generals, a few of them took up the mantle and started running with these investigations. why should people care? because it's sort of a small window into the future where you can retaliate and punish media outlets, maduro properties who are reporting accurate things simply because you don't like them. and not only will those at lists summer, the real effect that these places are going to stop doing things that might get them in trouble like this because they don't want to deal with the consequences or it has a chilling effect. so that's why people should care, because it's sort of the next iteration of a little bit of a notorious authoritarian slide and a stifling of good information now. >>> do you think the exodus of advertisers holds? >>> yes, i do. and i think that a big contributing factor to that is that elon musk's own behavior which is, you noted in your intro, he engages with -- the somehow jews in america

master plan developed by former trump administration officials, including immigration hard-liner stephen miller. miller, along with other controversial trump advisers, is drawing up a plan for what trump will do if he wins the 2024 election. now, the top line of the stories that these individuals want to get rid of all traditional legal conservatives, that typically make up a republican administration, and indeed were hired and fired with some regularity in the first trump administration. instead, these officials want to fill the executive branch with lawyers willing to do whatever trump wants. i really cannot stress just how far the new york times reports the window has shifted here. the most important beatle -- is the federalist society. for decades, it has been the core of the conservative legal movement, stacking the judicial and legislative and executive branches with as many conservatives as possible. but the new york times reports tonight that on the trump aligned far right, the phrase federalist society has now become a slur, a shorthand for a kind of lawyer weakness. the federalist soc

as american principles project director terry schilling and former white house policy adviser stephen millerontextualizing their comments as trans. she was supposed to explicitly write in there, by the way, they told me, is transphobic so that readers would understand. stephen but i'm going to read you of what they said because their comments are not transphobic. obviously. their comments are accurate, but nonetheless, stephen miller was quoted as saying that he believed that the issue of transgender athletes in women's sports would help republicans win the midterms because the left position would alienate nonwhite voters and schilling sort of pessimistically satirically praised transgender activists for leading people to believe that there was a wave of violence or a genocide against. transgender people, even though he pointed out it's, quote like 40 people a year who are apparently killed and not even for being transgender, but happened to be transgender and are murdered. a lot of them working in very dangerous industries, like sex trafficking. so there's obviously a different explanation

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you know, stephen miller, the fact that and i think the numbers are pretty close to right. >> we have about under joe biden, since he's become president, we have closee to 8d million when you include got aways illegal immigrantst a way, 90 plus percent that have never been vetted that arethat h now in this country. an as pute way, the cost out in a study by fair that group fair at the immigration group thisthis wee b billion annually to the american taxpayeilr at a time that we already have, what, $36 trillion in debt? i don't think we can affor dhe that, stephen. nor do i think. i think the bigger problem, even beyond the mone biggery, io the national security implications around all this. nsl of thiit's a catastrophe aty level of americans society. sean, you open by talking about hamas. ened by you have foreign terrorf organizations all aroundor the world that are perfectly willing and capable of exploiting our wide open southern border, of joininrgini those tens of thousands of galway's that areth monther after month after month, or simply entering the flow of people who are caught

that's the stephen miller wing, steve bannon wing of the party running rough shod. >> of course. and it the signatures are on the latest proposal. and let me ask you one more thing. trump was at this rally earlier today and he once again went after the special counsel jack smith. he also talked about smith's family. let's take a listen. >> we have deranged jack smith. have you ever heard of him? he's a lovely man. did you ever see him with the purple little thing? a lovely man. the trump-hating prosecutor in the case. his wife and family despise him much more than he does. i think he's about a 10. they're about a 15 on a scale of 10. >> charlie, the former president of the united states saying that jack smith's family despises him. what kind of signal does that send? isn't that dangerous? >> well, i think it is dangerous and reckless. i would suspect that a judge presiding over such a case might want to intervene and sanction trump for those kinds of comments. essentially, he sounds like he's trying to instigate violence against jack smith. a federal prosecutor and his family. so

locking up illegal immigrants, mass deportations, which the trump team directed those reporters to stephen millerampaign realized you are going to lose independents, moderates, tried to walk it back. get ready for that to be a common theme. suzie wild knows what she is doing. the campaign is like, oh no, look no further. he is not constrained by running for re-election and the thing that kept guardrails when he had the craziest ideas people like myself, like, you've got to win an election again. you can't do this. that was the only way you could communicate something. he will not have that in a second term. >> nikki haley who has seen sort of a steady rise. nowhere where trump in the polls, but her language about trump has remained pretty subdued, pretty muted in terms of criticism of him. now tim scott drops out. many people look does that help nikki haley. do you think her language and how she talks about trump and these policies change going forward? can she be the one trying to take him on? >> the difficulty is that the usual set of criticisms you might lodge against donald trump are unimpres

also plotting a return ironic white nationalist dracula stephen miller who returned in a senior role, already planning the most spectacular migration crack down. a second trump term could also inside with a fully complicit trump congress led by christian house speaker mike johnson. he traveled to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring on monday, meeting with trump days after endorsing the 91-count indicted former president. and in yet another sign of the wholesale trumpification of the republican party, one of the few republicans who voted to impeach trump after january 6th, former republican congressman peter miger of michigan who lost a primary over his impeachment vote now says he would support trump if he was the party nominee. call it what you will, pathetic, embarrassing. it is, however, the republican party putting its full embrace around the man who in turn is making fascism is autocracy the center piece of his third run for the white house. as he did recently, calling his political opponents on the left vermin. "the new york times" details how that authoritarian language has experts dee

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that is the vision outlined by trump advisers including stephen miller to "the new york times" last weekend. but we might not have to wait until 2025 to see at least part of that plan in action. as we speak, texas is on the verge of testing out one part of the trump 2025 immigration plan. on tuesday in a challenge to the federal government texas law lawmakers passed a bill that would allow texas police officers without training to arrest undocumented migrants. the bill would also allow local judges to deport those migrants without due process. critics say the bill could lead to racial profiling and the wrongful arrests of u.s. citizens, but it is now awaiting the signature of texas governor greg abbott. and this weekend governor abbott will be at the border with donald trump, the man who wants to implement these policies nationwide. joining me now is quintan folics, principal deputy campaign manager for the biden campaign. i'll read a quote from one of the biden campaign press releases today. building massive detention camps by defunding our military to imprison people living in america is

>> jessica: stephen miller told him that that's the kind of language that you should use. >> bret: holdn today compared to obama and romney and ronald reagan. went all the way back. biden is at 58% roughly. obama was at 48%. that's 10 points better. >> bret: yeah. >> bill: i think for democrats and joe biden, to brian's point, they are going to run this campaign through social media. and tiktok. >> bill: the left has high tech wired. that's where the republicans, if they don't catch up now, are -- they are going to have hell to pay come november because the democrats know how to do this. >> bret: so, ron desantis got some pick up talking about trump's age. >> bill: a lot. >> bret: saying he is getting old. i thought that this release today from trump's medical staff was about biden's birthday. but it may have been more about governor desantis and his comment. here is the report from trump's personal physician. i'm pleased to report that president trump's overall health is excellent. his physical examines are well within normal range. his cognitive examines were exceptional. president tr

joining me now is stephen miller, former senior adviser to president trump. founder of america first legal and allenor, immigration attorney. all right, allen, we will go to you first. do you fall into the line we keep hearing oh this just shows you that the system is broken? is that what you are seeing across the country right now? because that's what i'm hearing from the dhs secretary. >> not only do i fall in that line i'm a lawyer which you are trained. by the code it is congress' job to handle immigration. they do the funding of immigration. they do the removal of imgriggs. they have not passed a bill since 1996. so, therefore that, shows you if it was such an important thing they would have changed it. showing at the border and applying for asylum is currently legal therefore congress needs to take action. >> laura: that's lame i will let miller take it away. >> bill passed in 1996 under the clinton administration was massive public outcry about the lack of deportations so republicans and democrats got together in '96 and passed a bill speeding accelera

stephen miller talks with these people all the time. so, sure, the heritage foundation what they would say is this is available to anyone, but everybody knows that donald trump is likely to win the nomination. they know they cannot make the mistake they made before, which is just rolling town and not have team ready to rock and roll. they're going to have at this time. i think we pushed almost instantly into uncharted territory. i think the second term, if you were to win, would be much more like the final days of the trump presidency than the first two years. really trying to push the boundaries, really trying to see if you can stretch the rule of law to do things, whether it's punishing political enemies are getting rid of people you don't feel share your political beliefs, punishing media entities. >> how would that work at the department of justice? you have career, law enforcement people, how it suddenly that worked in the doj? >> any of the agencies, nothing to, it but there is one of the ideas they have at the end of the presiden

stephen miller talks to these people all the time. the heritage foundation, what they would say is this would be available to everyone. but everyone knows donald trump is likely to win the nomination. and they know they can't make the mistake they made before, which is just roll into town and not have a team ready to rock and roll. they're going to have it this time. i think we would be pushed almost instantly into uncharted territory. i think the second term, if he were to win, would be much more like the final days of the trump presidency than the first two years, really trying to push the boundaries, really trying to see if you can stretch the rule of law to do things, whether it's punishing political enemies or getting rid of people who you don't feel share your political beliefs, punishing media entities, report things you don't like. >> how would that work at the department of justice? you have career law enforcement people. how would something like that work for the doj? >> in any of the agencies -- basically, not to get too in

it has the same author, trump adviser and male elk about to charge a reflective store window, stephen miller's new plan includes some of trump's greatest hits, like sweeping raids and mass deportations, alongside fresh horrors: rounding up undocumented people and detaining them in giant camps. to make the giant internment camps sound a little more family-friendly, miller assured reporters that the camps would look professional. professional? ph-shew! it may be a giant step on the road to totalitarianism. but on the bright side: no crocs. this is all made a lot hitlerier by the fac that trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, claims trump once told him, "hitler did a lot of good things." okay. i think we have enough data points. have we proven that trump is a fascist? to find out, let's bring out the donald trump dictato-meter. here we go. trump calls his opponents vermin, says he will crush those who disagree with him, holds onto power at all costs, would declare martial law to stop an imaginary evil cabal, plans to put people in camps, and says hitler had some good ideas. jim? [bell ding

trump officials if kelly, bill barr, basically all of them who -- >> basically everyone except stephen miller and sarah huckabee, if they started making ads and made a group trump cabinet ministers against trump, maybe that wouldn't make a difference, but that's not an excuse for not trying. i think there's this learned helplessness because he's such a juggernaut. but actually, you know, donald trump was very unpopular and is very unpopular, and part of that is because people are constantly speaking out against him and talking about what a disaster he was. i mean for biden it's a difficult moment right now because people aren't really tuned into politics. they're sick of the whole thing. they're depressed about their options. but i think people -- compared today maybe like the dobbs decision, the dobbs decision was leaked. we all knew it was coming, but it doesn't make that much on an impact when it leaked, it still wasn't real. then it happened and it was an earthquake. there's these moments even when you know they're coming, they're still pivot points whether that be donald trump's convisio

. >> we know, joyce, as much as it seems like fairly obvious what's going to happen here, stephen miller, has filed an amicus brief relating to this gag order, saying it is unconstitutional on the grounds of separation of powers. i think 18 red state attorneys general have also filed a brief saying that the gag order should be lifted. is there anything to the argument that this is a violation of separation of powers? >> no. there really isn't. i mean, this is political theater. this is red state attorney generals continuing their allegiance to trump as opposed to engaging any sort of realistic legal analysis. it's not a separation of powers issue. the law is very clear the judge is entitled to put reasonable restrictions designed to preserve the integrity of the trial in place. >> when you talk about the integrity of the trial, there is a legal battle playing out over whether or not the federal trial should be televised. so it is pretty strong then he doesn't want cameras in the courtroom, saying trump wants to create a carnival atmosphere, and trump saying he wants people seeing all the

>> everyone who ever worked for trump except stephen miller and sarah huckabee, if they all started makingnet ministers against trump, maybe it wouldn't make a big difference. but that's not an excuse for not trying. and i just think that there is a kind of learned helplessness, because he's such a juggernaut. but actually donald trump was very unpopular and is very unpopular, and part of that is people are constantly speaking out against him and talking about what disaster he was. for biden i think it's a difficult moment right now because people aren't really tuned into politics. they're sick of the whole thing. they were depressed about their options. but you can compare maybe to the dobbs decision. the dobbs decision was leaked. we all knew it was coming. but it did make that much of it impact when it was leaked. it still wasn't real. then it happened, and it was an earthquake. so there are moments that, even though you know they're coming, they're still pivot points, whether that be donald trump's conviction, whether that be the convention, you know, there's things that are gonna happ

is more oppositional than to give over this power to donald trump it's really interesting that stephen miller, not a lawyer, who worked for jeff sessions, and when he fell out of favor with, trump mueller stayed with trump. that he is one of the reported masterminds behind this scheme. this is nothing to do with supporting good government or the constitution. and everything to do with installing an autocratic leader. >> it just takes me back to jim comey and his book, wanting to hide and camouflage himself into the curtains because he did not want to have to answer to trump being his lawyer, his guy. remember, trump and his generals? carol lanning, david -- great, great to see you all. when we come back, speaker mike johnson's israel aid bill includes cuts to the irs that would add billions to the deficit and hook up super wealthy tax evaders, you know elizabeth warren has a lot to say about th. and she is here next. later, the first civilians leave gaza, crossing the border into egypt. ben rhodes is here on that and what is next for israel's ground offensive. the 11th hour is just getting un

a new interview, trump advisor stephen miller outlined trump's anor immigration if trump were to win white house. the times reporting, quote, trump's want to revive his first term border policies, including banning entry by people from certain muslim majority nations. he wants to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year. to ease e strain on i. c. e. detention facilities, trump wants to build huge camps to detain people while their cases are processed and they await deportation flights. you match that with the reporting about how he wants to go to -- use the doj to go after his political rivals. he is telling us what his vision for this country is. and if you can't believe it, it is even darker than what he sold to americans during his first term. i wonder who you believe he is trying to appeal to with this message? >> first of all, i believe him. believe donald trump. what he's telling you is what he intends on doing. alicia, lets -- you know, obviously, the, ridiculous, offensive notion that he's going to round up and go after these, q

. >> i want to ask you, this reporting with the new york times, trump advisor stephen miller outliningtrump's plans for immigration if trump were to bring back the white house, the times reporting, quote, trump wants to revive his first tour border policies, including banning entry from certain muslim majority nations, scouring the country for unauthorized immigrants, and deport people by the millions per year to ease the strain on detention faciliti. he wants to build huge camps to detain people while their cases are processed and they avoid deportation. rematch that with the reporting of how he wants to go out, use the doj to go after his political rivals. he is telling us what his vision for this country is. and if you can believe, it it is even darker than what he sold to americans during his first term. i wonder who you believe he is trying to appeal to with this message. >> first of all, i believe him. believe donald trump. what he is telling you, -- let's obviously the disgusting ridiculous offensive notion that had round up and the immigrants that's going to, country and langua

he's got steve bannon and stephen miller flanking him. that is no coincidence.hat these guys want. >> yeah. i mean, and i think what you said, stephanie in the intro, that's worth underscoring. there is a reason that they do this. it's not that it is shockingly transgressive language that gets people excited. but what they are telling you is there are people among us, right? trump in that section of that speech that you just played a clip from talked about the internal enemy being worse than any external enemy we have as a country. both the internal enemy is the dangerous thing, what does it meaning. it's two things, you want americans to think of themselves as not being among their fellow citizens, where everybody has an equal right to vote and decide on the fate of our country, which is democracy. you want people to think that there is an enemy inside the country from which they need to be protected. and that we need to put them down in some ways, and you need a strongman to do that. you can't use a democracy to do that. the other thing they want you to do is