david shukman. — has been agreed today. david shukman, independent - has been agreed today.ecialist, thank you for being along for the ride with us in dubai and for your analysis. we also have been speaking with several other ministers are involved in those negotiations. earlier, icaught ministers are involved in those negotiations. earlier, i caught up with the uk's environment minister and here is what he told me. i was deliahted and here is what he told me. i was delighted to _ and here is what he told me. i was delighted to see _ and here is what he told me. i was delighted to see us _ and here is what he told me. i was delighted to see us come - and here is what he told me. i was delighted to see us come to - and here is what he told me. i was delighted to see us come to a - and here is what he told me. i —" delighted to see us come to a global agreement and for the first time, commit globally to transition away from fossil fuels. d0 commit globally to transition away from fossil fuels.— commit globally to transition away from fossil fuels. do you think this deal aoes f

we have david shukman and catherine ray with us.n hailed by some as historic, especially when it comes to fossil fuels. do you agree? cop28 has signalled the end of the fossil fuel era. cop28 has signalled the end of the fossilfuel era. it's cop28 has signalled the end of the fossil fuel era. it's an extraordinary turning point for this process— extraordinary turning point for this process that has failed to acknowledge the cause of the climate crisis for— acknowledge the cause of the climate crisis for so _ acknowledge the cause of the climate crisis for so long. but i think we have _ crisis for so long. but i think we have now— crisis for so long. but i think we have now been given a really clear direction _ have now been given a really clear direction of — have now been given a really clear direction of travel from global leaders. — direction of travel from global leaders, the world came together to reach _ leaders, the world came together to reach this— leaders, the world came together to reach this agreement here in dubai, but

david shukman thinks the first real test of change is just two years down the line. test of change ist two years down the line._ test of change is “ust two years down the line. what is meant to ha en down the line. what is meant to happen now _ down the line. what is meant to happen now is _ down the line. what is meant to happen now is that _ down the line. what is meant to happen now is that all— down the line. what is meant to happen now is that all of - down the line. what is meant to happen now is that all of the - happen now is that all of the governments that have signed this deal and made this promise go back home and upgrade and update their climate plans, their carbon reduction strategies. and that is when we will see how seriously they are taking this. are they really moving away from fossil fuels? 0n past form, they won't all do that. i think the other strand to this which is really critical is what signal is sent by this statement about the move away from fossil fuels to businesses? so imagine if you are around the boardroom table, weighing up an investment, fossil fuels,

earlier in dubai spoke to david shukman.en all of a sudden, today in a matter of minutes, you heard that gavel pounding the table and that was that, this text has been sealed and it is really all about the messaging behind it. we heard sultan ahmed al—jaber calling i think it does signify a moment. this is my 12th cop. they are never transformational and at best you get a step or two forward and we have definitely seen that today. it sounds so weird that fossil fuels have never had a proper mention before but here they are. ibias have never had a proper mention before but here they are. was the one outcome _ before but here they are. was the one outcome and _ before but here they are. was the one outcome and less _ before but here they are. was the one outcome and less beside i before but here they are. was the | one outcome and less beside fossil fuels —— might that cuts right? bill fuels -- might that cuts right? all the fuels —— might that cuts right? fill theissues fuels —— might that cuts right? fill the issues around f

we have david shukman. let's chat about the most recent news to triple renewables. more than half the countries of the world saying they want this to happen and they believe the future is renewable. that will send up powerful signalfrom this conference around the world, particularly to the company is building wind farms and solar installations and so forth. the little catch is it is all very well to the clear this will happen but much harder to see how it happens. we know of plenty renewable energy projects funded and have all the right permissions but can't get a connection to the great. this is a wonderful powerful declaration, we have to see how it translates into real facts on the ground. we have seen already _ real facts on the ground. we have seen already today _ real facts on the ground. we have seen already today the _ real facts on the ground. we have seen already today the united - real facts on the ground. we have i seen already today the united states involved in so many different pledges. 0ne involved in so many different pledges. one of them tripling n