. >>> let's get some analysis now with gloria borger. santos argued, and his defenders argued, that this sets a dangerous precedent. does it though? >> the beauty is in the eye of beholder. i think that there was enough evidence against santos to vote to expel him. as max miller was just saying, people on capitol hill knew that the guy was a crook. he had defrauded his constituents. and was going to have to pay for it in court because he's got some indictments he has to deal with. so i think this was a particular case where santos did not make many friends on the way out. he's saying i have the receipts on people. he's very vindictive. so i think in addition to the list of things that the committee came up with, there was also a sense that this guy did you want belong in congress. aside the fact he wasn't exactly popular. >> he's promise iing a lot. i think even republicans who didn't support his ouster are hoping this means they are going to hear a little less about and from george santos, but it's a little unclear if that's the case. d

cnn's gloria borger, the a.p.'s sun min kim, marianna sotomayor. happy friday. we got the green memo, obviously. we'll talk about the specifics of the actual case in a moment, but let's talk about not just the politics of this but how personal this is. covered joe bn for quite some time, his family for quite some time. when you heard hunter biden in that podcast saying what they're trying to do, republicans, is kill me, knowing it would be a pain greater than my father could handle, i mean, wow. >> right. he's effectively saying this all will kill my father. and, you know, i know how personally damaging this is and more so after beau died, his other son. and he's been very open about hunter's problems with drugs and everything else. and hunter has written a book about it. but, you know, now this is a situation where the president facing a possible impeachment of his own has a son on trial for felonies. so, the political, the personal, and the legal worlds all collide. you know, i don't think you can underestimate what a tough situation this is for the president

let's bring in cnn political analyst gloria borger. i know trump wasn't at this debate last night. this morning, here he is! he is in court. gloria, i know that he uses these moments before the camera, always, to make an appeal, for some drama! but, at the same time, how is this affecting how voters see him? he clearly has so much on his plate. >> look, he is declaring his innocence everything go time. saying it is a witch hunt. there is a substantial number of republican voters who he is playing to who believe him. he was not at the debate last night. you can argue that he made the right political decision not to show up to these debates. as i would argue, because he was, virtually, unscathed except for chris christie attacking him. the other candidates, morales, a little bit nikki haley, but they seem to be afraid to attack. and what he is doing in the court, that is his campaign apparatus there. that is his equivalent of a rally. procuring his incident, say he is a victim. more that he can do that i feel like in the campaign the better off the. is >> voters, obviously, have not w

. >> ab gloria borger, how much would the trial and the others already scheduled impact trump's abilityo campaign in 2024? what would this look like in the heat of the election season? >> well it would affect it tremendously. because he could be stuck in court. and, you know, he might be able to get some kind of special dispensation to not be there every day. but when you have jury trials, you -- it is protocol that you do show up. when you're the defendant. and so i think this has a huge impact. now, could trump turn it around and use it to his advantage, to say i'm being victimized here, look at what they're doing to me, this is a political prosecution, sure. he would do all of that. but i think to not have him on the campaign trail would really illustrate that he's got some real problems and might make voters think twice about whether they would want to vote for somebody who could be convicted of a felony. >> good point. how is this ruling around trump's presidential immunity in this civil case relevant in his criminal case? >> well, wolf, the stakes will get even bigger here. becaus

. >> gloria borger, trump's attorneys are arguing against an expedited appeals process writing, i'm quoting, this proposed schedule would require tones around support staff to work around the clock through the holidays disrupting family and travel plans. it is as if the special counsel quote growled with his grinch fingers nervously drumming, i just keep christmas from coming but how. >> it's hard to believe that's in a legal brief, but there you go. now we've seen it. look, they want to delay. the rest of the brief was talking about how there shouldn't be a rush to judgment. this is an important case. and you need to have give, give the time for the counsel to do their jobs. and for due deliberation, et cetera, et cetera. so look, the trump team as we've been saying over and over again is about delay. so that was, you know, just part of their argument, i guess, wolf. but there's no doubt where they're headed on this and judge chutkan's ruling today you know, is good news for them. very good news for them. >> very creative legal writing, i must say. elliot, let's turn to this other signific

let's bring in more political experts right now to break all of this down and gloria borger, liz cheney says the u.s. is sleepwalking into dictatorship. her words. is there any reason to think republican voters though are listening? >> well, there's one group of republican voters that are not listening and those are the republican voters who are dedicated to donald trump and stick with him through thick and thin. the ones who have gone to him since he's been indicted. but i think there are republicans who are on the fence who might listen to a liz cheney but i think it's incumbent upon democrats to continue to bring the receipts about the things that donald trump is saying. you know, talking about using the justice department for personal retribution. how he would hollow out the government with loyalists. mass deportation. i think that those issues have not been talked about a lot and maybe a lot of people aren't listening but it's incumbent upon democrats to start getting the public to focus on what kind of government there would be in a second donald trump term with advisers who are l

this in perspective, legally and politically, i'm joined here by cnn senior political analyst gloria borger. also, joe walsh, former illinois republican congressman and host of the white flag podcast. and cnn legal analyst carrie cordero with us as well. law professor and former federal prosecutor jessica roth, and nancy gardner, retired federal judge and currently harvard university senior law lecturer. carrie, i want to start with you. it is hard to overstate how big of a deal this is. what is your reaction to this unprecedented ruling? >> well the colorado supreme court really understands, and it communicated in its opinion, the novelty of what it's done here, and the historical significance of what it's done here. saying quote, we travel in uncharted territory. and, this case presents several issues of first impressions. so, the court really just understands this important moment, the decision that it's made. not to say that this will be the ultimate decision of the u. s. supreme court, when this case is absolutely headed. i think it's interesting that this court made the decision, both

i want to bring in joan biskupic, and gloria borger and others on our panel today. and joan, you knew her well? >> yes, she worshipped over at the cathedral, and so you will hear the music that was so much a part of her life, and she was there until 2006 when she retired and then we grew up on a ranch, and so she was sort of used to a solitary life, and when she burst on the scene as a politician in arizona state and then here in washington, she was always about engaging with people, and mixing it up with people, and yesterday, it was so wonderful to be in the great hall of the supreme court, and the way she was saluted was about her personal touch. she was always one for, you know, taking her colleagues to musical events, to the theater, to sharing barbeque or seonya mayor said she is always about a scotch and water. and clearing way for the personal work, and the difficulty of deciding hardest cases before the court. >> i loved fact that she referred to herself still as a cowgirl. >> oh, she was all about arizona, and it is going to be interesting if there is goin

. >>> to help put this in perspective legally and politically, i'm joined by gloria borger, also joe walsh, and cnn legal analyst carrie cordero with us as well. law professor jessica roth and nancy gertner, retired fellow judge. carrie, it is hard to overstate how big of a deal this is. what is your reaction to this unprecedented ruling? >> well, the colorado supreme court really understands, and it communicated in its opinion the novelty of what it's done here and the historical significance of what it's done here, saying, quote, we travel in uncharted territory. and this case presents several issues of first impression. so the court really just understands this important moment, the decision that it's made, not to say this will be the ultimate decision of the u.s. supreme court, where this case is absolutely headed. i think it's interesting that this court made the decision both on the fact of law, finding that the former president was an officer. that is not necessarily the outcome that we would think the court would absolutely obtain. i mean it's a questionable decision on that