well, we understand that it doesn't work like that, but the trouble doesn't get any easier, kateryna kalytkove a good day. also thank you for the opportunity of this conversation, for me, in fact, when i saw the topic of the discussion, it was a shock that 10 years have already passed since the actual 13-14 years of this milestone, when everything began, for me it is all very detailed, everything is like yesterday , and actually one of the significant moments for my identity, it was my third revolution, the first was ukraine without kuchma, the second was orange, of course revolution. due to my age, i did not catch these first significant efforts to build restored ukrainian independence in the early 90s, and in the 13th year i came with such a rather ironic skepticism, when student protests began, when yanukovych tried to turn the other way from european integration. because at one time i saw what ukraine turned into without kuchma, there i still have pain from a broken golden eagle when the weather changes, then a rib, during the orange revolution, i also remember very well when i returned

today, kateryna kalytko, vitaly portnikov, yevgenia kuznitsova work on the panel.e key story, well, the key thesis, is when what we call the maidan began, that is, a shift, a change in ukrainian society, which meant a big break with the russian empire, with the russian narrative, with inclusion in the russian space, culture civilization, and in general, can the events of the maidan be considered as the formation of a fundamentally new ukraine, that a process that, as it were, formally began in 1991, and perhaps it just materialized, or was expressed, or manifested itself precisely in 2014, yes, and now we are also experiencing parts of this great and difficult cycle. i think that each of the participants has his own vision and his own answers , and perhaps additional questions of a rhetorical plan, well, we will start, of course, with vitaly portnikov, what about me, well, that’s how things are going, because yes, thank you for all of you came to listen to us at this important event. important, because i believe that now every the event that is happening in ukraine