joining me now to continue this conversation, lucy caldwell, political strategist and former campaign manager for joe walsh's 2020 presidential campaign. and molly jon fast, special correspondent at vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast. welcome to you both. lucy, i want to get you to listen to a clip of one of trump's 2024 primary opponents. you know him well. former new jersey governor chris christie, responding to maine's decision. >> it makes him a murder. he is a very good at playing poor me, poor me. he's always complaining. the poor billionaire from new york to spending everybody else 's money to pay his legal fees. for me. but when stuff like this happens, this should be decided by the voters of the united states. it should not be decided by courts. >> so does he have a point? will this just make trump a murder among his base? >> well, we know that donald trump can spin gold out of the worst news possible. he's done that with all of the news around indictments, he does that all the time. anything that would -- maybe he's like teflon don. the kinds of things that wo

joining me now, lucy caldwell, political strategist and former campaign manager for joe walsh's 2024 tial campaign and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards. it is so nice to see both of you. lucy, i would like to start with you. let's start with vivek ramaswamy's claims that he would expand the muslim ban. lucy, he reminds me of those kids when we were growing up who would be bullied on the playground and then follow that same bully around in the hopes that they would like him. is he still auditioning light the others? >> i don't think that vivek is auditioning for the role of vice president. i think vivek is auditioning for a newsmax anchor role or a turning point u.s. a main stage speakership. this is a person who clearly is desperate for attention, desperate for fame. yes, he is going to continue to carry water for trump in the worst way. he's expanding that over window for trump so it becomes more and more acceptable for the presumptive republican nominee to say more and more extreme things. he's not a serious person. the most important thing is that we keep calling out t

jason chaffetz, lucy caldwell, thanks for joining us. >>> up next, we'll to to israel where joe bidenng the netanyahu government and congress still paralyzed over aid to a ukraine. ♪ ♪ new neuriva ultra. unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. to help keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. delicious too. just ask my old friend, kevin. nothing like enjoying a cold one while watching the game. who's winning? we are, my friend. we are. my a1c was up here; now, it's down with rybelsus®. his a1c? it's down with rybelsus®. my doctor told me rybelsus® lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop rybelsus® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swel