she was also associate fellow at the royal institute for international affairs and her books include the bestselling memoir in search of fatima. welcome to the show. god let me start with you. i mean, you you were fought out of palestine in 1948, weren't you, and then witness the occupation of gaza and the west bank from a far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the time of the first interfad? well, i had, of course, i had... already uh become an activist following the 1967 war, because it was the first time i remember that i began to understand what israel was about, and it was ver to me. from that day on that what they were about was occupying the rest of palestine and that that's what they wanted. um, the first father was so hopeful, it was wonderful moment for all of us who had felt a kind of sense of despair as you know link through 70s in britain israel's becoming more and more accepted and it was becoming more and more quote normalized and you know so we we started to feel a bit hopeless that. you now and then comes the first and father and you thin