talking with serhii vysotskyi, he is the deputy head of the public organization national association of defense industry of ukraine for strategic communicationwe are continuing our conversation, mr. serhii, continue if there is an opportunity, yes, yes, yes, yes, i said that... over the past year, companies, private companies, not only in our association, in general, there are a number of companies that have demonstrated a very successful example of cooperation and conversion with western partners in the manufacture of ammunition, here i am talking about the line of ammunition of soviet calibers 152, 122, as well as nato calibers 155 artillery caliber, and there the 82nd or the 120th mines for mortars. and this conversion is certainly expanding, we hope that we will be able to supply ukrainian private companies with 30, 40, or maybe twice as much ammunition for the needs of the forces in... of defense already this year, there are high-tech developments, we take an active part in such conversion programs with western partners, to strengthen air defense, to strengthen the ability to protect the sky, so in fact, in fact, we have to fully agree,