i also think we're going to see much more of what was trying to see and theli biden administration's in several things that are examples of this come like aukus of the quad. were going to start seeing much more flexible i think, frequently kolko flexible plurilateral lizzo orbu somethig like that. that the catchphrase but we'll see much more innovation of identifying either about certain issues, fishing in the pacific ocean or whatever, or regions. were going to see pulling together a group of countries around climate, a group of countries for particularly interested in a particular issue or problem, and problem solving in those kind of new groups. >> suggest as a side question, when you at the osce, did you practice this art of convincing and that coercing, let's say, with the representative of the russian federation? i mean come out of that actual plant in practice for you? >> well -- >> did he give you ideas for this book? which i'm sure it did. >> i mean, two things in practice. one, it was somebody on my team who came to meet in the early days of the invasion in 2014 and said we

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