there post office is owned entirely by _ compensate? he government, compensate? there post office is - owned entirely by the government, so the money ultimately would come from the money ultimately would come from the taxpayer. but the post office has supported itself are our money and taxpayers money for the last decade. so the government needs to hold the post office to account and somebody needs to hold the government to account to get it all sorted out. ., .. government to account to get it all sorted out-— sorted out. thank you very much indeed for _ sorted out. thank you very much indeed forjoining _ sorted out. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. _ sorted out. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. so - sorted out. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. so that - sorted out. thank you very much| indeed forjoining us. so that was sorted out. thank you very much i indeed forjoining us. so that was a former sub—postmaster. now we can go to the computing side of the story and the editor of computer weekly. we are hearing a

must, must _ of post office limited. there must, must be _ of post office limited. nt of any colour to keep the momentum going on this, to ensure justice _ momentum going on this, to ensure justice and _ momentum going on this, to ensure justice and realjustice, is served, and if— justice and realjustice, is served, and if that— justice and realjustice, is served, and if that involves more pressure on the _ and if that involves more pressure on the former ceo and for people who received _ on the former ceo and for people who received honours because of the work they did _ received honours because of the work they did in _ received honours because of the work they did in post office limited, i know— they did in post office limited, i know the — they did in post office limited, i know the minister is nodding, he will agree — know the minister is nodding, he will agree with me. can know the minister is nodding, he will agree with me.— will agree with me. can i thank her for her questions _ will agree with me. can i thank her for her questions and indeed - will agree wit

post office —— micro horizon. there a post office —— micro due to the damage it has been caused? that contract. even two directed at compensation schemes?— two directed at compensation schemes? , , ., ., ~' two directed at compensation schemes? , , ., ., ,, ., schemes? the inquiry is looking into those tepics- — schemes? the inquiry is looking into those topics i _ schemes? the inquiry is looking into those topics. i have _ schemes? the inquiry is looking into those topics. i have already - schemes? the inquiry is looking into those topics. i have already told - those topics. i have already told the select — those topics. i have already told the select committee. - those topics. i have already told the select committee. we - those topics. i have already told the select committee. we will. those topics. i have already told i the select committee. we will take the select committee. we will take the advice — the select committee. we will take the advice from _ the select committee. we will take the advice from sir— the select committee. we will

_ there will be individuals in the post office providing _ there will be individualsements _ post office providing witness statements and _ post office providing witness statements and coming - post office providing witness i statements and coming forward post office providing witness - statements and coming forward to -ive statements and coming forward to give insight — statements and coming forward to give insight into— statements and coming forward to give insight into that. _ give insight into that. whistle—blowers- give insight into that. j whistle—blowers have give insight into that. - whistle—blowers have come give insight into that. _ whistle—blowers have come forward and have said that undoubtedly there was problems with the fujitsu horizon system. why do fujitsu or the post office just sit back and take absolutely no notice of the sub—postmasters. rather than listen to them and try to get the issue is resolved, they basically took the attitude of trying to prosecute these people. basically, they fear for their livelihoods, some actually committed suicide as

there was no evidence to corroborate the horizon evidence. the fact that mrjenkins provided witness statements suggest that the post office did not disclose therizon. there was no proof of actual loss as opposed to horizon generated shortage. the post office concedes that the persecution was unfair, but we are bound to conclude that the prosecution was an affront to justice. can we return to your witness statement... page nine. if we look at page nine, that is where you address the case of ishaq. and we can see at the bottom... there we have footnote three, a large number of documents were provided in relation to the case, do you recall that?— provided in relation to the case, do you recall that? yes. if we school down we have — you recall that? yes. if we school down we have the _ you recall that? yes. if we school down we have the rest _ you recall that? yes if we school down we have the rest of you recall that? ies if we school down we have the rest of your evidence. can we please look at paul 00a please. this is the investigation report. thank you. is this the document that you drafted? correct. that is dated — document that you drafted?

the other question people are asking is what accountability there will be for the post office. there has been a public inquiry going for some time but it hasn't had attention. if this itv drama had aired a few years ago, more people would have been watching this inquiry. those questions are being addressed by the statutory public inquiry to some extent. the findings of that inquiry, when they come, may produce some fairly awkward questions for the post office, for fujitsu. we also discovered last week that the metropolitan police are looking at the possibility of fraud taking place at the post office. 0bviously, post offices denied that and that is not to say they will not charge anybody, but there is a metropolitan police investigation ongoing. you mentioned paula vennellls, who was the chief executive of the post office for some of the key is in question. more than1 million people have signed a petition for her cbe to be stripped from her and rishi sunak, the prime minister, said yesterday that it is not in his gift, but he encouraged the honest forfeiture committee, a slight

studio: the post office minutes. — studio: the post office inquiry there in central london, taking a our correspondence very conway, down at the inquiry, who has been listening to all of that evidence. just some up for us what we have been hearing over the past few hours. a very large part of this afternoon has focused on the cases of angela sefton and anne nield. they were post office clerks in liverpool and they were convicted of false accounting and given custodial prison sentences, suspended. now, the reason why they were focusing on these cases is because stephen bradshaw was the investigator of these two women's involvement in what was alleged to be false accounting. they were convicted of false accounting. and their convictions were overturned in 2021. and at the court of appeal, the post office accepted that the prosecution of these two women had been unfair and an affront to justice, and the post office admitted that they had failed to carry out a proper investigation, and that evidence from the horizon it system was essential to their defence. why am i giving you that backgr

there something else? i think ost office or was there something else? i think postught _ technical expertise at the outset, when they brought their- technical expertise at the outset, when they brought their system i technical expertise at the outset, i when they brought their system in, and they— when they brought their system in, and they very — when they brought their system in, and they very much _ when they brought their system in, and they very much relied - when they brought their system in, and they very much relied upon - when they brought their system in, i and they very much relied upon their supplier— and they very much relied upon their supplier to— and they very much relied upon their supplier to also _ and they very much relied upon their supplier to also beat _ and they very much relied upon their supplier to also beat their _ and they very much relied upon their supplier to also beat their it - supplier to also beat their it experts _ supplier to also beat their it experts and _ supplier to also beat their it experts and advisors - supplier to also

the post office agreed on a defence expert should be allowed to attend the branch to analyse the data. the post office serve their witness statement by garethjenkins in which he maintained that there sporadically reported to the post office between 2005—2011. other records show numerous difficulties with horizon in 2009. the post office accepts that this was an unexplained shortfall case, and that evidence from horizon was essential to the prosecution of both ms sefton and ms neald. the post office failed to carry out a proper investigation into horizon issues and failed to disclose failed colourful call logs and other records indicating there had been problems with horizon at the branch. in addition, mrjenkins had informed the post office solicitors that he had no information regarding complaints and investigations into horizon, and it has already been established that it's not possible to examine the original horizon system, because it has not been operational since 2010. similarly, i have not been presented with any audit data related to these cases to examine. these defects in mrjenkins' evidence were not disclosed, or were two earlier relevant reports disclosed. in those circ

and it's interesting, there were very few interviews over the years with anyone from the post office e horizon it concerns as the story did begin to gather more and more coverage. is that a failure of news media, that there wasn't more work done? that is an absolute failure ofjournalism. and i've said that on the record. we consistently tried to get an interview with paula venables, and she was — don't forget, the post office is 100% owned by the government — and yet she would not make herself available for interview to talk about any aspect of the scandal. and i don't know why more people weren't asking her that question. if serious news editors from large news organisations had gone to the government and said, "why won't the chief executive the post office give an interview to anyone"? then things might have happened. and i think actually that is one finger that you can point atjournalism. why weren't big news organisations piling in there at the very highest level and saying, "it is unacceptable that this person, this the leader of this organisation who is paid by the taxpayer, is

fujitsu emma at the heart of this, said, we knew right from the start there were problems with this, and yet, we assisted the post officeh we knew there were false in our own system. and they were asked how he could be allowed to happen and he said i don't know? he wasn't in charge of the time, and he said we have a moral responsibility to contribute to the compensation and i think that was athletically —— ethically inevitable, and another glaring omissions. one big point was that did anyone know that you could remotely access the system, these terminals, within the post offices remotely and change the balances and the accounts and also them? in the post office's always said no it's as secure as fort knox, the convictions are sound, the fujitsu boxes said we documented and communicated it to them. ., ., documented and communicated it to them. ., . , them. how far back they communicated? - them. how far back they communicated? very - them. how far back they communicated? very all| them. how far back they - communicated? very all on, as them. how far back they _ communicated? very all on, as early as 2015, the — communica

let's move on to news here in the uk, and there has been so much attention on that post office scandaltives may have been overpaid thousands of pounds in bonuses. it comes as the tax office investigates whether the company underpaid as much as £100 million in corporation tax by deducting compensation payments to victims of the horizon it scandal from its profits. our business correspondent marc ashdown has more. more questions for the post office — this time over who benefited from the mistreatment of hundreds of sub—postmasters. it seems compensation payments made to victims of the horizon it scandal were deducted from the company's profits before it paid tax — but seem to have been ignored when setting bonuses for executives. tax experts are questioning whether the company could have underpaid its tax bill, while possibly overpaying top bosses. companies pay corporation tax on their profits. you're allowed a tax deduction for legitimate expenses. persecuting postmasters for 15 years and paying them compensation is not a legitimate expense. that means that their real tax bill is a lot

post office until it sorted out? i think they need to keep their own system going but there is a new system needed. and also get fuiitsu _ but having a new contractor. and also get fujitsu to pony up some compensation question absolutely. thank you. the nigerian televangelist tb joshua was one of the most powerful religious figures of the early 21st century, an evangelical preacher feted by presidents and premier league footballers. through his christian television station he reached millions daily. before his death, in 2121, joshua, who claimed to have cured all manner of illness in televised healings, lived with more than a hundred disciples inside a secretive compound in lagos. now, bbc africa eye has uncovered evidence of rape, torture and forced abortions, with alleged victims from all over the world, including the uk. this is the first time that the truth is being heard from the heart of this organisation. it looked helpful. it looked loving, not knowing that behind that was a sadist, a psychopath. the god i was introduced to is evil. he's diabolic because this is the same god that i would sl

when we came to office, there was probably no greater shambles than that horizon project. but the postot the software, for cash shortfalls we now know were false. over 15 years, 983 sub—postmasters and postmistresses are convicted of offences from theft to fraud to false accounting, using evidence from horizon. fujitsu witnesses claim horizon�*s information was "reliable" and "robust." some victims go to prison. others were ruined. some take their own lives. we got hold of an audit report in 2011 from consultants ey, warning some it staff have "unrestricted access" to postmasters�* horizon accounts which "may lead to the processing of unauthorised or erroneous transactions" ? something the post office continues to deny for years. in 2013, the board discusses a review by the consultants second sight which finds two bugs in horizon. injuly 2013, a concerned barrister for the post office, simon clarke, writes formal advice saying... "there are a number of now convicted defendants to whom the existence of bugs should have been disclosed but was not." we've got hold of minutes showing "the

_ coming out from the post office. there are — coming out from the post office. ne theirjob and they didn't. ithink— have done theirjob and they didn't. i think i_ have done theirjob and they didn't. i think i would like the post office to be _ i think i would like the post office to be stripped back and the government because someone has got to say— government because someone has got to say they— government because someone has got to say they knew about this years a-o to say they knew about this years ago and _ to say they knew about this years ago and they didn't do anything. for ago and they didn't do anything. for a drama _ ago and they didn't do anything. for a drama to — ago and they didn't do anything. for a drama to make them do something shameful, _ a drama to make them do something shameful, i'm sorry. and i know the people _ shameful, i'm sorry. and i know the people who — shameful, i'm sorry. and i know the people who made the decisions are never— people who made the decisions are never going to go to prison. how do ou sa never going to go to prison. h

hooked together with them, but i think will be reckoning think there will be a reckoning for there for post officefor post office staff and the rest, and also for ministers and officials when this inquiry reports. but the first instance is deal with these people who had their lives ruined, unfair early, wrongly these people who had their lives rui this unfair early, wrongly these people who had their lives rui this scandalearly, wrongly these people who had their lives rui this scandal .arly, wrongly by this scandal. >> well, fascinating stuff. isn't it? but for now, christopher hope, thank you very much. annunciato. i'll start with you on this one. i mean, i've been doing this job for two years. whatever i don't think i've ever remembered a story that has captured, i mean, literally my inbox before i've even on air. it is full of even gone on air. it is full of people getting in touch about this it has been this topic. it has been literally every day since this program aired. but do you program aired. but why do you think it's taken like a docu drama in order to bring this to this level of intere

the standard service that fujitsu provides to post office limited but any time i spend examining the data would be chargeable to post office limited and so therece limited to consider. as we 0ffice limited to consider. as we are nearing the christmas break, i cannot commit to any such analysis before new year." when your weight or commercial considerations and concerns having to spend money on fujitsu's assistance? its concerns having to spend money on fujitsu's assistance?— fujitsu's assistance? its all was been commercial— fujitsu's assistance? its all was been commercial concerns - fujitsu's assistance? its all was - been commercial concerns because part of the contract was you have so many that when you are requesting the ar 0 data, there were so many sources that you would look at what data is required because sometimes you might get a blanket of five years' worth and you have to look at the consideration of that. if it is required for the case, the cost does not come into it. if it's needed, it should be applied for. lit not come into it. if it's needed, it should be applied for.— should be applied for. if we stroll u - , we should be ap

and also latest on that post of a scandal on there as well. —— post office. to the weekend. good news, of course, after the recent heavy rainfall and the storms that we've had, the flooding now should start to subside, but we've had lots of blue skies this morning. this was the scene in south lanarkshire. but you can see from the satellite image here, for many parts of the uk we've had clear skies and that's been extending its way out into the atlantic as well. the reason for that is high pressure, which is building in now across the united kingdom. and what that does is it stops the atlantic weather systems coming in, those rain bearing weather systems moving in. so things are certainly looking more settled for the weekend and into next week. for the rest of today, we've still got quite a bit of cloud across eastern areas. one or two showers here, showers easing across parts of wales, just limited towards western coastal areas, one or two towards cornwall as well. maximum temperatures get into about six to eight degrees celsius for most of us. it's a lovely

post office and her professional progress, doubtless reflection the mac reflecting her trustworthiness from counter clerk to permit sub—postmistress. it's says the post office conceded it wasn't thereongside a colleague diane matthews, correct? ~ , , , alongside a colleague diane matthews, correct? ~ ,, , matthews, correct? miss matthews was the lead investigator. _ matthews, correct? miss matthews was the lead investigator. can _ matthews, correct? miss matthews was the lead investigator. can we _ matthews, correct? miss matthews was the lead investigator. can we start - the lead investigator. can we start b lookin: the lead investigator. can we start by looking at _ the lead investigator. can we start by looking at page _ the lead investigator. can we start by looking at page six _ the lead investigator. can we start by looking at page six and - the lead investigator. can we start by looking at page six and i - the lead investigator. can we start by looking at page six and i will i by looking at page six and i will take you through some parts of the transcript. about halfway down that page, to the bottom, there is her explanation. so she says it's just been going up and up the pa

there's been much debate over the quickest and fairest way to achieve that, and now the chair of the post officedown, posing the question — did he reallyjump or was he nudged? there were various disagreements within the board, and when i looked at it, i thought that a change of personnel was what was required. i don't want to do hr on live tv. these are human beings that we are talking about. it is very difficult to be asked to stand down from a position, but i decided that given all of the difficulties the post office is having, it's notjust about horizon, it's about the entire business model and how to make it work, that we needed someone who could chair a board that had... who could chair a board that had...that was able to deal with these things effectively. the government does ultimately own the post office and campaigners have long called for it to take tougher action to bring justice for more than 700 people, likejo hamilton, who were wrongly prosecuted because of defects in the horizon it computer system. so do they think this departure will make a difference? the whole thing is a bit of

into their costly high court battle to why the post office continued prosecutions long after concerns over the reliability of horizon were raised. but therest office bosses along the way. take, adam crozier. now the chair of bt. he was the ceo when the post office was still a part of royal mail. when the prosecutions were well underway. in a statement tonight, he said... there'sjohn roberts. he was in charge when horizon was implemented and has given a witness statement to the public inquiry, which is trying to get to the truth. dame moya greene. she was ceo when the first stories of the scandal emerged. all are facing media scrutiny now. then there's the japanese company fujitsu. their software is at the heart of this scandal. they installed it, managed it — and still do. they've been invited to answer questions from the business select committee next week. fujitsu's done very well out of public sector work. it's been awarded 191 contracts worth more than £6.5 billion since 2013. we may not hear from paula vennells again until she appears before the public inquiry sometime after easter. it starts again on thursday — and there's likely to

, so post _ all of the documents are in there, so post office i would say too there — no support for. i think i would say too there are some extreme examples of document requests or information requests _ of document requests or information requests i_ of document requests or information requests. i looked at the post office — requests. i looked at the post office and the spend of £100 billion defending the indefensible, yet i'm being _ defending the indefensible, yet i'm being asked to provide evidence of a client— being asked to provide evidence of a client that _ being asked to provide evidence of a client that has been to probation and spent — client that has been to probation and spent money on 900 p worth of travelling _ and spent money on 900 p worth of travelling expenses over 15 years ago. _ travelling expenses over 15 years ago. the — travelling expenses over 15 years ago, the proportionality is not and there _ ago, the proportionality is not and there is— ago, the proportionality is not and there is no— ago, the proportionality is not

post office. he's saying that the justice secretary is looking at that in the round. he says that in the future, actually thereons. so definitely some change coming on that. but again, probably beyond the public inquiry. and the other thing being talked about today is transparency to deal with public private contracts. the tuc saying that the government missed an opportunity in legislation last year. again, though, ministers indicating that once the inquiry is concluded, they might look at that again. there's been a huge rise in the amount of money stolen by scammers advertising fake jobs here in the uk. according to action fraud, con artists send out text and whatsapp messages to people, offering them roles with a high wage and then trick them into handing over banking and card details. dan whitworth from radio 4's money box has more. like many frauds, this is a numbers game, millions of scam messages get sent out and most are ignored. but itjust takes one to hit the right person at the right time — someone looking for a job or wanting to earn more money — for criminals to seize their opportunity. bella was c

uh, a man from odiham post office, david bristow and jo hamilton from south warnborough and there wasn't i could do. i had a meeting with the post office, along with another mp who was the mp for alan bates. there wasn't much i felt i could do because jo hamilton had pleaded guilty , so she obviously pleaded guilty, so she obviously couldn't appeal . um, but then couldn't appeal. um, but then subsequently we david bristow's replacement as sub postmaster in odiham was himself removed for exactly the same reasons. and i thought this is absurd. this is clearly not a coincidence. it is a systemic issue that we've got to deal with. so at that stage , to deal with. so at that stage, having written previously to the minister and got a reply by saying, sorry, it's an arm's length organisation, not not us govt, don't, don't trouble me with it. uh, i then wrote again to the minister, but i also wrote to all the mps to say, do you have a similar sort of problem and a number of them came back and said, yes, we do. >> and so a pattern began to emerge . and at this point you emerge. and at this point

post office branch managers in scotland. tell us more, james. yes, that's right, and thereough they were brought by the post office. we heard from dorothy bain casey, who now is the head of the crown office, saying there had been harmed because then there had been harmed because then there had been harmed because then there had essentially been miscarriages ofjustice here, though she was keen to blame the post office effectively for deceiving the crown. what we don't know is how many people are absolutely definitely involved here. there is a figure of around 100 given by the crown, whose cases apparently involve horizon evidence. today, dorothy bain gave a figure of 54. we also don't know what exactly will happen here in terms of exoneration is. the first minister humza yousaf has suggested he will work with the uk government to ensure that people here are exaggerated, but dorothy bain made clear that she effectively opposes any idea of mass are quite old. she seemed concerned that guilty people might get off. —— mass acquittals. donald trump is back in court today just hou

of course also the post office investigators. there are so many different strands of this. y. dominic, the government says it's working hard to resolve the issue of convictions — what options do they have? well, there are options and they look tempting but they are not without — look tempting but they are not without their challenges and i think it is the _ without their challenges and i think it is the real dilemma for the lord chancellor— it is the real dilemma for the lord chancellorjustice secretary alex chancellor justice secretary alex talk chancellorjustice secretary alex talk about which way he takes it. let's _ talk about which way he takes it. let's look— talk about which way he takes it. let's look at a few. one easy route would _ let's look at a few. one easy route would he _ let's look at a few. one easy route would be the royal pardon, an ancient — would be the royal pardon, an ancient power that used to be used, and exercise of mercy for those condemned to the gallows and it still exists but it is effectively a discretionary and symbolic gift because — discret

post office scandal. we'll be live as he talks for be crossing live as he talks for the first time and on the post office scandal, thereishop of canterbury. >> your favourite person, andrew justin resign over his justin welby, to resign over his links former post office links to the former post office boss, vennells. he boss, paula vennells. he recommended to be bishop of london. >> heaven's sake i rwanda bill >> heaven's sake! rwanda bill rebellion two not one deputy chairman looks set to rebel over the rwanda bill. our political edhon the rwanda bill. our political editor, christopher hope, has more . more. >> it's a key 48 hours for rishi sunak. will his rwanda plan survive? contact with his own right wing tory mps? we'll find out . out. >> and britain's nastiest novelist that's the title awarded to jk rowling in a new statesman article, which has been condemned and quite rightly too, as misogynistic. let us know your thoughts. this morning on all of our talking points. vaiews@gbnews.com. >> and we're very vexed also about a story we're going to tell you the favourite word of the year, chosen by children six and 16.

post office, of the convicted post office, uh, office subpostmasters . now, uh, office subpostmasters. now, kevin hollinrake, who's . the uh, kevin hollinrake, who's. the uh, the post office minister, he said therebe an unknown number of people who were in that should be convicted. that who should be convicted. but the government's going to get a piece of get everyone to sign a piece of paper i did not take any paper to say, i did not take any money illegally. and if it's found event they found after the event that they did money illegally, found after the event that they did they money illegally, found after the event that they did they cannoney illegally, found after the event that they did they can be 1ey illegally, found after the event that they did they can be prosecutedr, found after the event that they did they can be prosecuted for then they can be prosecuted for fraud. the kind fraud. so that's the kind of cover securing and cover for securing and protecting public money. cover for securing and protectinitially.ic money. cover for securing and protectinitially there'lley. cover for securing and protectinitially there'll be a >> so initially there'll be a blanket exoneration . but what

post office, because i don't it. but the desire to defund post office when you start looking at the numbers of people who work in the post office there's a high number of african-america arrogance and all of a sudden, well, we want to defund the post office, the postal service and this directly courier correlates after vietnam. you're kind of like, oh, okay, but postal service postmaster and black communities, there was something there was fighting. so there's a long history of that ties into service. you wearing a uniform. so it's all kind of intersections, right? oh, thanks for your question. i don't know, how are we doing on time? okay. these great questions. thank you all. i love it. each. week american history tv's america brings you archival that help provide context for today's public affairs issues. next from july 15, 1963. reverend martin king jr is interviewed by. journalists from ghana, india and south carolina. it's an of the u.s. information agency program press conference usa which featured journalists from around the questioning. a well-known public figure. martin luther king is to explain his nonviolent approach civil r

post office . this. he was post office. minister from 2010 to 20,012. of course, there's over a dozen post office ministers dunng dozen post office ministers during the period that this scandal has been going for. on he's by no means the only one, but he is the most high profile as the leader a party. now, as the leader of a party. now, again , the prime minister's again, the prime minister's spokesman asked if the prime spokesman was asked if the prime minister thought that sir ed davey resign and would davey should resign and would not be drawn on that. but of course, it has been pointed out by many people that ed davey is generally very quick when there is any whiff of wrongdoing generally very quick when there is a thathiff of wrongdoing generally very quick when there is a that people vrongdoing generally very quick when there is athat people shoulding generally very quick when there is athat people should resign say that people should resign and that perhaps he ought to take, um, his own advice. he, of course, is saying that he's absolutely not going to nor is he go

we also know there was some decisions taken in bad faith by the post office to the extent that a formers for more than a decade has said on the record that he has no doubt there was a conspiracy to promote the course of justice at the post office, which is another criminal offence. the fact that the metropolitan police are now looking at the post office having defrauded its own sub—postmasters of their money, i think suggests that their money, i think suggests that the met police have now recognised what political pressure there is on them now to start acting quickly about this and perhaps not even waiting until the public inquiry reports, which may not be until early next year.— reports, which may not be until early next year. reports, which may not be until earl next ear. ~ ., early next year. meanwhile, we need to focus the — early next year. meanwhile, we need to focus the minds _ early next year. meanwhile, we need to focus the minds on _ early next year. meanwhile, we need to focus the minds on the _ early next year. meanwhile, we need to focus the minds on the victims - to focus

that is because media there has hardly covered this post office issues there recently.he fujitsu software causes issue everywhere. that is not up to us but interesting to see more reactions about more members of the public funding for the post office scandal. mil the public funding for the post office scandal.— office scandal. all are likely to be any — office scandal. all are likely to be any investigations - office scandal. all are likely to be any investigations in l to be any investigations in japan about this? we don't know. i think— japan about this? we don't know. i think it _ japan about this? we don't know. i think it is - japan about this? we don't know. i think it is really - know. i think it is really difficult for them to speak about it. i have been in touch with them since the early 2022 and i think takahito tokita rejected my interview requests five or six times but the company has been sending us statements. all of which firstly stated this is a matter for the uk since who has been incorporated with the inquiry. the other issue is because this is an ongo

we did have bugs and errors in the system, and we did help the post office in their prosecutions. he admitted therere was rolled out, and that the post office was told. did we take that information and share it with the post office? yes, we did. how the post office then chose to use that information in their prosecutions is entirely on the post office's side. but he didn't answer some of the key questions. you knew that there were glitches in the system. why did you sit back and do absolutely nothing about it? i don't know. i really don't know. and, on a personal level, i wish i did know. and then there is the bill for compensation. is there a moral obligation, mr patterson, for you to contribute? i think there is a moral obligation for the company to contribute, and i think the right place to determine that is when our responsibility is very clear. alan bates told mps he still waiting for his full compensation. it's gone on for far too long. people are suffering, they are dying, we are losing numbers along the way. and itjust seems to be tied up in bureaucracy. questions too for the ceo of the pos

be someone appointed on an interim basis, so there won't certainly be that stability there at the top of the post officeally, a, there will be a big public focus on them and b, in parliament, mps will be voting on effectively offering compensation and exoneration to people caught up in the scandal. so, clearly the secretary of state must have thought it was better to have new blood rather than continue with the current chairman but it does actually mean that we will have in fact an interim chairman, then an actual chairman in due course. it is quite clear though, i think, the government's been politically attacked for being slow to deal with this scandal and there's therefore political pressure i think on government ministers to get a grip. that is our political correspondent iain watson. here in the uk, a fire in a four—storey building near liverpool city centre is no longer being considered a major incident. there had been fears the structure would collapse. more than 50 firefighters from the merseyside fire and rescue service were called to the blaze shortly around 2.20pm. they said there are no repo

there we go, one of the - other ministers answering a question about the post office scandal. m different constituencies get a chance to question a minister, so a lot of these questions are preplanned but after the preplanned questions are asked, mps are free to ask other questions on the topics of the day which is why we believe the post office scandal will be brought up because as i mentioned, mr chalk has met seniorjudges to look at what thejudges can do met seniorjudges to look at what the judges can do and the post office minister has also said that the government was investigating ways to overturn convictions and he suggested it could include possible legislation and also said fujitsu, and that anyone else found responsible should be held accountable in terms of making any payment to victim compensation is. the issue is that if their convictions are not overturned, they cannot go through the compensation process so what the government is looking at is whether they can overturn all of those convictions are once and in whatever way they can and as we've been saying, one of

, the post office is still there, going tobs and have offices closed have their post offices closed down. us out there down. if we or us out there boycott so crazy . boycott them. so that's crazy. >> i mean, that is not it's absolutely not right thing absolutely not the right thing to do no , absolutely. to do, to do no, absolutely. >> boycott the politicians. >> boycott the politicians. >> how about boycotting the conservative government dawn, and not voting tory at the next election? >> but it's not the tories fault , is it? this is this is this is something which has been implemented and supported by the tory government or tory lib dem government, a labour government. this is not the current tory government's fault. this is a multi—decade mess up that all parties involved are to blame. >> but just to come back on that, because dawn said we were going to disagree. and i do disagree some extent disagree with you to some extent on because you were saying on that, because you were saying that davey, i mean that ed davey, i mean

post office? i would hope there would _ bates and the post office? keep i making them. do you feel empowered as an actor by the power of drama? ! as an actor by the power of drama? i have always felt that power. when i was young, in theatre, i did theatre in education, and we used to talk about... and agitprop theatre, and deal with issues. and so i have always loved that issue led, something that meant something, that was not airy fairy but had a meaning and a question. i think there has always been part of my life. it is great to watch, as well. those performances in the post office were fantastic. so truthful. you could tell they were invested in that material. and so i would hope... there has been a lot of cutbacks in drama. but the money is a big question for all of us who work in it, but i would hope that drama will always find its way. it should be supported on television. i am burbling now.— supported on television. i am burblint now. ., ~ ., ., burbling now. please talk to me. you are well known _ burbling now. please talk to me. you are wel

there's still a post office sign here. the service, though, has all but disappeared. this prime—time drama has now put it firmly in the national spotlight. jo's solicitor represents many victims. he told me 50 potential new ones have now been in touch, including three former sub—postmasters with criminal convictions. i had one lady describe it to me as something that she parked in a dark place at the back of her mind that she simply couldn't face. but because of the drama, has now managed to find the courage to come forward. i guess you just wish there were more? 0urjob isn't done until everybody that has been tainted by horizon comes forward and clears their name. so the real drama is farfrom over. victims still fighting for financial redress and wanting those responsible to be held accountable. emma simpson, bbc news. and to find out more about the post office it scandal, you can listen to today's episode of newscast on bbc sounds, which includesjo hamilton, whom you saw in emma simpson's report. the time is 18 minutes past six. our top story this evening. hundreds

post office, are you? the smooth running is that if she was there to see what was happening. art to finish. is and run the post office from start to finish. . . and run the post office from start to finish. , , i. and run the post office from start to finish. . . ,, . to finish. is it still your evidence that ou to finish. is it still your evidence that you were — to finish. is it still your evidence that you were professional? - to finish. is it still your evidence | that you were professional? yes. to finish. is it still your evidence - that you were professional? yes. i'm auoin to that you were professional? yes. i'm going to move _ that you were professional? yes i'm going to move on to that you were professional? il:s i'm going to move on to the case that you were professional? ils i'm going to move on to the case of jacqueline mcdonald. can we still move on —— me please move on. thank you very much. we are back again to the court of appeal. i would like to look at paragraph 179. i don't have the page number unfortunately. but if we can scroll down, scroll up a little bit

there will be more and more such pensioners every year; for a full life, they need a quick transfer to a card, and not a personal feat through a trip to the post office something worth paying attention to: any city resident of retirement age will be able to apply for a pension by mail or with home delivery as soon as... in crowded places as soon as a person stops getting into them, he can return to the post office, but whether he wants to, the coronavirus pandemic has shown that everyone should be able to avoid going places. in our country there are very few citizens who count for themselves. it is impossible to obtain a personal passport number, as their religious beliefs dictate. agree, the situation is extraordinary. and immediately evaluate the loyalty of the belarusian state to any manifestations of personal freedom, if these manifestations do not harm others. citizens who they refuse to receive a passport, receive a pension, they are given the opportunity to obtain a certificate that proves their identity, and payments are made based on this certificate. in my opinion, this is true tolerance. not a flashy green light to demonstrate destructive

there. the post office minister, setting out the government's plans to deal with this post office crisis. is. we heard there, um, tens of thousands of pounds offered to subpostmasters will sing a law shortly for parliament which will exonerate and compensate the victims of this scandal and we're still got our fantastic top politicians with us live in this studio. >> esther mcvey , cabinet >> esther mcvey, cabinet minister and anneliese dodds, who is in the shadow cabinet as labour party chair. i want to finish by bringing you another question. >> it's a case study really , and >> it's a case study really, and it's quite a painful one, but i think which illustrates the situation that many brits are in right now. >> and i'll put this to you estimate it's from fiona , a 49 estimate it's from fiona, a 49 year old woman who who lives alone. she brought up two sons alone, and she's really proud of that. um, she's got a variable mortgage. i work from home. i claim no benefits. yes, i earn £24,000 a year. my mortgage has increased £300 since 2010, as has everything else i've been working for her f

had a sheet perforated page as much as he needed, he tore it off, paid it, and gave it there paid at the post officerns out that if the edge is not torn off, it’s just a piece of paper that needed to be torn off and thrown away, it ’s just a strip like this with this piece of paper even more valuable , yes, yes, but the whole block is actually a sheet with... the price is calculated, i’ll talk a little about that i know, but diving is so interesting, because on the banknotes there is also the signature of the cashier, and there are cashiers who signed a lot, and there are few who signed it, even this is taken into account, of course, i heard that during repair work, or when they are demolishing old houses, they found entire deposits, they found, about three years ago, one worker from uzbekistan brought a pack of hundred square meters, a fortune? the condition was like this, nothing good, the floor, they say, was hidden, but everything was pawned there, the whole floor was in packs, well, in bulk, well, here, too, for those who are going to look, we can say that in the most unexpected places you can

post office to be at the front of everything that we�*re doing, and that was wrong. lee castleton was bankrupted by the post office. a fujitsu expert witness told thejudge in his case there so what did he think today? i�*m sure, you know, he means it, i�*m not saying that he doesn�*t, but it�*s about doing things, it�*s about actions. some of the victims want to meet the fujitsu boss to discuss assistance and support. he said he would be happy to, apologising again for his company�*s part in their suffering. emma simpson, bbc news. we can now cross live to varchas patel, his father vipin patel who was prosecuted by the post office in 2011 after they audited him and alleged 3a,000 pounds was missing in december 2010 — after he had already made up a £44,000 shortfall. those figures are extraordinary. it must be difficult for you hearing what was said today by the man from the fujitsu are you able to describe to us what you were being told via the post office and fujitsu at the time? the post office and fu'itsu at the time? , ., , ., .,, time? yes to my father. he was alwa s time? yes to my father. he was always told _ time? yes to my father. he was always told he _ time? y

office who was there at the post office who was there from 20 1518. sed. why are there people still there and if then people still there and if then people are going be involved people are going to be involved with new change of chairman, with the new change of chairman, is he going to be able to change the culture that's a very difficult question to answer . difficult question to answer. >> and, you know, it's funny that the more we hear about it, um, you still get the feeling , um, you still get the feeling, don't the post office, don't you, from the post office, that a lot of their people just don't feel they did anything wrong ? wrong? >> i think we've seen that over and over again, where when you if you watch the public inquiry heanngs if you watch the public inquiry hearings there's many, many hearings that there's many, many people just they just have people that just they just have that that they are right that adamant that they are right in the postmasters are wrong. and while culture exists, and while that culture exists, how can anything eve

there are some questions about who is more responsible, fujitsu or post office or others. the inquiry has identified responsibility, then those questions can be answered. today's announcement on exoneration and compensation will be welcomed by many victims of the scandal, but their long wait forjustice isn't over yet. iain watson, bbc news, westminster. so let's recap on what the government has announced about the post office scandal. a new law is to be introduced to exonerate hundreds of post office branch managers. the new legislation will apply to convictions in england and wales and downing street hopes they will be quashed by the end of the year. we learned that 95 out of more than 900 convictions have been overturned. the sub—postmasters will need to sign a document confirming they believe themselves to be innocent. there'll be a new upfront payment of £75,000 for the "vital" group of postmasters who took action against the post office. with more on this is our news correspondent charlie rose who's in the newsroom for us. if you can outline a process that the governm

post office's approach? you _ something wrong. what was the post office's approach? you mentioned i office's approach? you mentioned therethe numbers, they were getting bigger and bigger so when you approach them give me a sense of what they said to you. give me a sense of what they said to ou. . , ., , give me a sense of what they said to ou. . , ., you. initially, it was about whether i had done — you. initially, it was about whether i had done something _ you. initially, it was about whether i had done something wrong. i you. initially, it was about whether i had done something wrong. they| i had done something wrong. they would go over the balance, the procedure to balance each time. which i would quite happily do but we could not find anything that was wrong. the one thing that stood out the whole time was that we were having issues, screen freezes and things that you would have to do twice, payments and things. itjust did not seem right. as more and more of these things occurred it got more and more fraught. it became more of and more fraught. it became more of an argument between one side and the other. most relat

post office to review the software. it finds defects but insists the system is largely robust. again the post office states "thereer system". in 2019 a landmark ruling finds there were defects in the fujitsu system, and the post office agreed to pay £58 million to 555 sub—postmaster and sub—mistresses — opening the way to criminal convictions being overturned. but what of fujitsu today? well, horizon is still installed, the post office has just paid fujitsu £36 million to extend that contract till the end of 2025. because, say the post office, these systems are incredibly complicated — take years to design and build and can't be easily replaced. if you switched off horizon, you would bring the post office network to a standstill. so far, fujitsu has not paid anything in compensation and in their most recent accounts barely mention horizon as a risk to their business, and have set no money aside. despite this nearly 30 year fiasco, in the last ten years, the government has awarded fujitsu 191 contracts worth more than £6.5 billion — including projects for hmrc, the ministry of defence and the home office. in 2022,