ali iqbali. mr. bali, during this period , the western side's support for ukraine was not a secret , sending all kinds of equipment, training troops, intelligence assistance. but. but the fact that nato itself directly intervened in the war and played a role was something that was hidden from the eyes . can we consider the role of german forces in the explosion of the crimean bridge as a small part of the war? he had this analysis that it is the tip of the iceberg , a small part of which has just emerged and the majority of which is still unknown. anyway, this war can be analyzed in layers . what is the most important layer ? it is the strategic layer. there is no competition between ukraine and russia. whether there is a competition between russia or a conflict between russia and ukraine, which is supported by the entire euro-atlantic axis and nato. this is not a new discussion. if you flash back to the 2008 bucharest summit, where nato made major decisions about the black sea itself, that is, americ

ali iqbali, an expert on eurasian issues . mr. iqbali , hello, welcome to the world program today .ears have passed since the war between ukraine and russia . what direction has the war gone? now we can see that the pope takes such a position in a scholarly way . he asks the ukrainians to somehow surrender and raise the white flag against russia. the arena is a one-on-one battle of attrition it has become and is in a way that the parties take two steps forward and one step back to success. lately, in the last one or two months, russia's successes in the land field have overcome the successes of the ukrainian side, although the ukrainian side has also had successes in the field of aerospace and maritime discussions, but in my opinion, mr. pope's message or mr. pope's interview should be seen more than this. a human looked. however, it is true that 2 years have passed since this war , but the casualty statistics of this war, although there are no exact statistics yet, but if we consider it average. in the middle of these statistics , let's take into account the number of casualties on

ali iqbali. i will continue, mr. iqbali, during this time, the western support for ukraine was not a secret, sending all kinds of training equipment, intelligence assistance, but the fact that nato directly intervened in the war and played a role was something that was hidden from the eyes, although the authorities the russians are publishing some speculations about rome news, but this file it has been published. i think the story has entered a new field . what is your analysis ? can we consider the role of german forces in the explosion of the crimean bridge as an example of a small part of the war ? he analyzed that it is the tip of the iceberg, a small part of which has just emerged and the majority of which is still unknown. anyway, see this war. in fact, the category of layers can be analyzed and evaluated. what is the important layer? zhou's layer is strategic. there is no competition between ukraine and russia. what do you mean? there is a competition between russia or one actually the conflict between russia