me what the election integritiy efforts on a practical matter might entail or the expectations christina bobb is going to be an effective general on that front. >> i think christina is going to be a fun person on that front. and she'll be on tv a lot, speaking to the v base, and carrying the president's message. we know for three years now any election he's not performing well inti is a fraud. up to the election day and after the election day. upft to the election day republicans feel they were just wiped out in questions of early voting, lots of changes about signature verification, changes about voter i.d. they want to re -- there's not much time left, but the rnc wants to go backbu in and relitigate that stuff. there was actually a lawsuit filed today in michigan in which the rnc is asking the state of michigan to clear their voter rolls because they say there's too manyvo old names on those voteres rolls. and interestingly they brought in a guy named charlie spieth, one of the most rrpted electiond lawyers, the guy behind jeb bush's super pac, mit romney's super pac. and he's being brough

including christina bobb. do you remember that name? a big lie boosting member of trump's 2020 legal team. >> it is becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. it is treasonous for our federal government to take away our rights and hide it from us and lie about it and rig an election and stall an illegitimate president. >> what is this woman's title in the rnc? senior counsel for election integrity. back with me to discuss. ron, editor and chief of midas touch and stewart from the mitt romney and george w. bush presidential campaigns. ron, what do you make of this move? secretary of state benson called it a meritless lawsuit that sought to anyone herb people's faith in security of the elections. >> this is a fairly routine thing. almost every state has more voter rolls than voters. you have people who retire, move to southern states. they have been removing people all the rolls but the bigger story is christina bobb. i cover right wing media so i have known her a long time since she was a

that's the title and the person is christina bobb, an election denier who worked for trump and the far right, one american network >> it's becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. >> the >> american people resoundingly choose donald j. trump and democrats crowds are trying to steal it. >> there are many >> counties and precincts that voted solidly republican yet somehow the state still seems to have gone to joe biden that itself is an indication of foul play >> this is the latest step in trump's clear takeover of the rnc. dozens of staffers were laid off this week as he cemented his hold on the nomination his handpicked candidate for chair michael whatley, elected to lead the organization. his daughter-in-law, lara trump, is serving as co-chair. after suggesting that republican voters want to pay trump's legal bills outfront. now, stephen richer up the republican official who heads maricopa county, which is the largest election department in arizona. it's even spoke out about republicans attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential elect

putting christina bobb in this position is sure to really tank any outreach efforts, any sort of realction integrity work, making sure people can get to ballots and cast their vote, that is not going to happen. >> to quote "succession" these are not serious people put in these positions. i want to play for you this sound from trump today at a rally. we try to avoid playing any trump sound, but this was particularly vile. he was railing about the impact of president biden's policies on the automotive industry. then he made this very bizarre remark. listen. >> if i don't get elected, it's going to be a blood bath for the country. that will be the least of it. >> so, you know, the trump campaign has since said his remarks were referring to biden's policies surrounding imported cars. i'm not sure i believe that, but nonetheless we'll take them at their word for it. what do you make of that type of rhetoric where he is using that kind of language in this election season already? >> let's not forget this is a man who sent a violent mob to hang his vice president. >> right. >> this is a man

christina bobb chief among them at the rnc. can you give me a sense of what those election integrity efforts on a practical matter might entail and or the expectations that christina bobb will be an effective general on that front? >> i think it will be the the front person on the front. she will be on tv carrying the president's message which as we have known for three now is any election that he is not performing well in is a fraud. i think there is a real effort here to do what a lot of republicans feel the rnc did not do well in 2020 up to the election day. up to the election day. they were just wiped out and questions of early voting. questions about signature verification. they want, there is not much time left but the rnc wants to relitigate that stuff. there was a lawsuit filed in michigan which which the rnc is asking michigan to clear the voter rolls saying there are too many old names on the rolls. they brought in charlie spies, he is one of the most respected republican election lawyers who was the guy behind jeb bu

give me a sense of what the election integrity efforts might entail, or the expectations that christina bobb will be an effective general on that front? >> i think that christina will be the front person on that front, and she will be on tv a lot. she will be speaking to the base and carrying the president's message, which we have known for three years now, which is any election he is not performed well and is a fraud. i think there is a real effort here to do what a lot of republicans feel the rnc did not do well in 2020 up to the election day and after election day. up to the election day, republicans felt like they were wiped out with questions of early voting, lots of questions about signature verification, voter i.d. there is not much time left, but the rnc wants to go back in and relitigate that stuff. there was a lawsuit filed today in michigan, in which the rnc is asking the state of michigan to clear their voter rolls, because they say there are too many old names on the voter rolls. interestingly, they brought in charlie spieth, another name we haven't mentioned. he is one of the m

can we talk first about christina bobb. the one who signed a document saying no classified documents left at mar-a-lago. that was not true. there were classified documents left at mar-a-lago. how did she get put in charge of this election integrity unit at the rnc? >> a part of strategy on particularly the trump campaign to replace many of the people who were working at the rnc in the past with loyalists. people who trump and his allies know will follow his directives. particularly as relates to ongoing story line about the 2020 election. i think it also sends a message about what we can expect from this iteration of the rnc for the next few months heading into the 2024 presidential election. the message coming from this republican party. one, hand in hand with the message of the trump campaign. i think they will largely be eyed as sort of one body, and a lot of the comments and false claims about what happened in 2020 and about election integrity i think we can expect to continue now hearing that coming from the rnc and th

may recognize christina bobb because yes, that is her the election denying conspiracy theorist. and trump favorite who championed lies about how the 2020 election was stolen when it was not. she has now a senior counsel for election integrity. you may also remember her. she's also the trump attorney who signed that sworn statement in june 2022, falsely assuring justice department officials that there weren't any more classified documents left at mar-a mar-a-lago two months later, of course, when that fbi search happened, the world found out that that was not true. but these new lawyers are wasting no time getting to work and they have filed the first and what we are told is going to be a barrage of election-related lawsuits first up, is michigan a state that i should note trump lost by fewer than 155,000 votes in 2020. that is where he and his allies have filed and lost nine lawsuits against the election this latest effort though, claims that the state has too many dead people still signed up to vote. even though less than two weeks ago, a similar suit was dismissed after a judg

but they also installed christina bobb, an ardent 2020 election denier as, listen for the title. senior counsel for election integrity. so. to recap, they are kill tag idea. with bobb, they are going all in on election integrity. suing election officials and challenging voter access. the new institutional ethos is more my pillow guy. >> so let's be like the democrats and vote early. no, you lose your country. that's where all the crime is. in the early voting and stuff. >> no. that's nuts. you're wrong. but that's what donald trump wants. remember, he was complaining about the election being rigged ad nauseam before he even lost it in 2020. remember that? and here's the party he runs making an affirmative choice backed up by money and manpower and logistics. a choice to put their effort into trying to suppress the vote. election integrity. stop people from voting rather than the effort they had in place to just straightforwardly win more votes. make it easier for your people to vote. that's what they are committed to. because donald trump hates the idea of people choosing their l

christina bobb, another election denier, and i don't mean an election denier curious type. she has been in this business from the beginning. she worked with none other than americans disgrace mayor rudy giuliani, and others to push baseless election fraud claims after the 2020 election she was also involved in that so-called vote audit in arizona. remember by the so-called cyber ninjas who ended up failing to uncover election fraud. but that's certainly has not stopped ms bobbitt. she is it seems impervious to shame and relentless in pushing just proven and unfounded claims do you honestly expect president trump to concede the race? he knows he won. it's becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. there's massive amount of evidence of voter fraud and statistical anomalies that indicate cheating. they hope that by bombarding us with this news that biden is the president elect, we'll all just give up and go on with our lives and allow the democrats to steal the election yeah, all the claims she made there been debunked and rejec

her name is christina bobb, and she also worked at the far right one america news network. and she has pushed, well, theories like this do you honestly expect president trump to concede a race? he knows he won. it's becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. the american people resoundingly choose donald j. trump, and democrats are trying to steal it they hope that by bombarding us with this news that biden is the president elect, we'll all just give up and go on with our lives and allow the democrats steal the election well, the top that off, she's also written an entire book promoting trump's election lies. joining me now, elections technology expert can block now he was hired by the trump 2020 campaign to find voter fraud. his new book is disproven my unbiased search for voter fraud for the trump campaign in the data that shows why he lost and how we can improve our elections can thank you so much for being here today. first, i want to get your reaction to the fact that christina bobb is who has been a prominent election d

former trump attorney and one american news network reporter christina bobb, was just hired as the rncegrity. and today the rnc sued michigan secretary jocelyn benson accused her of keeping ineligible voters on the state's voter rolls. back with me is matthew dowd. matthew, again, rnc has one job, elect republicans. how are they going to do that if all the money goes to paying trump's legal bills? isn't that kind of defeating the purpose, no? >> well, you know, as i was listening to you, i was thinking of the famous john mccain quote where he described russia as a gas station masquerading as a nation, as a country. >> yeah. >> this has become ask a trump venmo account masquerading as a political party. that's actually what it is. and you talk to the former staffers and all that, they're shocked the ones that got fired that trump wasn't loyal to them in the course of this. i don't understand why there hasn't -- why local candidates, it's not only the house of representatives and the committees assigned to that on the republican side to re-elect them and the senate committee assigned to

that is christina bobb and she is in charge of election integrity at the rnc. >> she pushes big fat liesuy on chief council is charlie spies. the fact that he is there, does that give you any sense of security? how do you feel about all this? >> i think charlie is a real lawyer. i have a lot of respect for charlie. i don't know if he will be a problem there. he wasn't a big lie guy. he accepted what the election said. the person will be running their rnc is a campaign manager for trump. a serious political operative. the rest of this is window dressing. the problem republicans have is not that too many dead people are voting. it is that not enough live people are voting for them. and, i worked in elections for decades. it is like saying elephantitis is a bigger problem than cancer so we will replace the national cancer institute with the national elephantitis issue. the problem is getting people to vote when it is legal. not illegal. it is not a felony that people wake up and want to commit. >> by the rnc doing this, doesn't it just pave way to sow doubt and create a scenario where you c

so, putting christina bobb in this position is short, really just tanks any outreach efforts . any sort of real election integrity that they might be wanting to do. making sure people can get to the ballot, cast their vote. that simply will not happen. >> to quote one of my favorite shows, succession, these are not serious people that are being put in these positions. rick, wanted to play for you the sound from trump today at a rally. we try to avoid playing any trump sound but this was particularly vile. he was really about the economic impact of president biden's policies on the automotive industry. that he made this very bizarre remark. have a listen. >> now, if i don't get elected, it is going to be a bloodbath for the whole attachment that's going to be the least of it. it's going to be a bloodbath for the country. that will be the least of it. >> the trump campaign has and said his remarks were referring to biden's policies writing imported cars. but, you know, i'm not sure i believe that. nonetheless, we will take them at their word for it. what you make of that type of

at the republican national committee hiring infamous election denier and former trump lawyer, christina bobb to be, quote, senior counsel for election integrity. we can't make it up. yes, election integrity. more on bobb later in the show. but more broadly axios today is calling the maga takeover of the rnc involving mass laifs in a hunt for disloyal members a, quote, dry run for trump's second term plans. the former president has vowed to decimate the federal work force and install tens of thousands of loyalists in government jobs. a national version of what he's already deployed at the rnc. trump is also hoping to stock his cabinet with loyalists and vowing to retaliate against biden by appointing a special prosecutor to, quote, go after him. it's a maga fever dream, but already his hard liner allies in d.c. are thinking about making it real. new reporting indicating that top house republicans know that they don't have a case to impeach joe biden. he's come up with a cynical exit plan of sorts. it entails making criminal referrals to the doj in hopes that a trump doj would bring indictment

has a top role at the rnc, picked two people, one of republican lawyer, charlie spies, and also christina bobb, a former one, america news network correspondent to focus on election integrity specifically. and so we're really seeing them already kinda preview one of their key focuses as they gear up for this general election and it's going to continue to be what we saw in 2020, which is their focus on potential fraud in november. and i also just want to point out that this focus on the left should integrity is something that donald trump cares very much about. it's one of the reasons he was so angry with the former chairwoman of the rnc, ronna mcdaniel. he had really was frustrated with her for what he argued was them not doing enough in 2022 battle his claims of election fraud. and so we're seeing that really play out now with how he's trying to put his imprint on the rnc in the republican party overall >> well, it also has obvious pr implications given that he is charged with trying to overturn the results of an election, speaking of election integrity, alayna treene, great to see you this m

and then secondly, installing christina bobb on election integrity and putting lara trump in there andy in there, either firing or reassigning or forcing to reapply a number of staffers, what is happening at the rnc, and is it a big deal? >> it is a big deal if you're running as a down-ballot candidate. it is a big deal if you're trying to, you know, create a lane in which these issues like election integrity actually is not an oxymoron, but there is i that process. yes, it is a big deal. you could see what they've done and what they are doing. this is the decapitation of the republican party as i once knew it and i once led it. a lot of theef fors that we put in place, you know from covering back in 2010, led to a lot of races that we otherwise wouldn't have won. and that is because we had boots on the ground in communities. we have community activists representing and being the face of the party. so we could win those for the first time two black judges to the texas supreme court. we could win a governorship in new mexico or in new jersey. show, the reality is, when you take all of t

christina bobb i'm just wondering what you think of that. i mean, this is a name that came up during the 2020 campaign cycle she's an election denier. i mean, really when you're an election denier, your reality denier, but is that going to be helpful at all to have election deniers? at the rnc? >> i can't imagine you're having yeah. i don't i don't know her personally, so i can't speak to her qualifications or credentials for this job. i do have great amount of belief that chris lacivita, who is effectively taking over the rnc for trump, knows what he's doing. so leaving chris and i believe in his ability to manage it, it's not unusual for political parties to hire a bunch of lawyers. the democrats will as well in preparation for a close election. this particular person, i mean, yeah, i mean, let's be honest. she said some things and got way out there in the last election. yeah. my general view is if you're going to go to work for a political party or it can campaign. the question really is, are you the best person for this job? do you have

we also learned this week that christina bobb, a lawyer who pushed conspiracy theories about the 2020lection integrity. >> if you're a member of the rnc, as i was, our next guest says, what are you doing? your silence and inaction is scandalous and you'reequally to blame. al cardenas, there's a "simpsons" had the republican and democratic convention and democrats held up a banner that said, we love chaos and that's a time when chaos used to find democrats. no longer. al, what happened to our party? >> joe, i think like i'm talking like that was my obituary, i think i'm talking like at a funeral with you, you know, 1854, the birth of the republican party, 2024, the demise of the republican party. you know, we've always had during presidential years a combination between the two parties, but, look, the rnc, people need to understand what it does. you know, it recruits candidates. it works on voter registration, it works on turnout. it works on all the basics that a presidential campaign doesn't have the time, the resources to get involved with. if you're a candidate for public office in