he's a relayed he hasn't been charged. >> but walt nauta has >> so is trump. >> and so has butler is >> very best friend and mar-lago coworker carlos de oliveira, who has been charged with lying to federal investigators. now he has pleaded not guilty, but he seems to suggest that his friend and anyone who moved those boxes this was well, they're all dirty >> and there was one time he said, you know, we're all dirty, we all move boxes and i said, well, look, i didn't even know what i was moving until i was at the plane and that's when i remember moving both there's that distance to the ten foot pole while butler may be talking but lawyer for former president and a lawyer for nauta both declined to comment to cnn and asked for his best friend, carlos de oliveira. well, his attorney said in part in a statement and i'm quoting here. we look forward to hearing more about mr. butler's version of events when he is under oath and we declined to try this case in the media. i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath b

that is correct. >> but you gotta call from walt nauta after the search happened. >> what did he say to you >> so i was on the my waited my birthday weekend down at the hardrock and i think i texted him like, hey, i'm we'll talk at like in an hour, i was with people or something, so i called him back and he's like hey, someone just wants to make sure carlos is good. i take that as trump's wants to make sure carlos is so i reply. listen, carlos is very loyal. he would not do anything to affect his relationship with the boss i've never seen him. he's never been happier on the job. i mean, he had a very close relationship with the former president. it was everybody saw it at the club. >> i >> mean, they were always interact. they would walk around the property. i mean so i told him no, there's there's carlos would not do anything to affect his relationship with the boss. >> why do you think you had to assure trump's body man? >> i really don't know. i i'm sure somebody i think the former president told walt to reach out to me. i don't know why. >> then did you later have to assure to an

the day before one of his attorneys had gone in, searched the storage room, not knowing that walt nauta, the body man who is now a co-defendant, had been moving boxes in and out of that room the day before. did you know about that? >> no, i never do anything about that on june 3 walt had came up to me and asked me if he could use one of our escalates since i ran the car service, i pretty much kept control over the vehicles. i had loaded a bunch of the family luggage into a minivan and i was just going to drop private to the plane, loaded up and that's it. but during the us getting luggage, walt asked, hey, i need a minivan. sure. go ahead. and then he left and i was i didn't think anything of it. it was a little odd the way he asked me. i mean, it's stood out now after all this but him and carlos were gone at that time and i didn't know because typically he wouldn't go get a vehicle, drive himself, and get luggage >> so it was unusual for him to make that ask of you? >> it seemed odd to me once i figured how everything went down the line, june, july, and august from what i learned, it k

i think it's also very damning in particular to walt nauta and mr. de olivera, who are both defendants in this case because they're directing him what to do with the boxes. and if you look at the indictment, jake, this guy, mr. whose referenced in the indictment as employee five, he's in the middle of others thanks to he's a witness primarily, but for example, when it comes time to try to check out the surveillance video, remember part of this case is that at one point trump and the other defendants were trying to figure out what do we have on the surveillance video? can we delete it? he overhears and he's part of conversations about that as well. so i think he's a multifaceted witness for prosecutors >> and butler describes multiple times was offered attorneys paid for by trump or the trump organization. he says he was repeatedly told he could always go back and work for trump as well as offered things such as free golf tickets. could any of that be seen as attempts of witness tampering? >> so there is no independent charge of witness tampering in t

butler to get nauta a big suv, an escalade. butler then saw nauta and trump's codefendant, carlos deolive yra load them up and load those boxes onto the plane. mr. butler said that all took place on june 3, 2022. later that same day one of trump's lawyers provided investigators with what he said was the entirety of classified documents that remain o in mr. trump's possession as well as a sworn certification that falsely claimed on trump's behalf that he and team trump had conducted a diligent search of boxes and all responsive documents had been turned over. what brian butler is now asserting here is pretty explosive. not only did trump apparently hideaway at least 105 classified documents the fbi eventually found, it sure sounds like trump managed to steal another 10 to 15 boxes of records, and we don'ts, know if the fbi ever go those records back. who knows where those boxes are now. that sure sounds like obstruction of justice. what is equally concerning here is why brian butler decided to go public right now. here he was ex

and walt nauta, the other defendants who did have direct conversations with mr. butler. i think they're also going to use it sort of standard argument that this person has incentives to try to please prosecutors that he got some sort of softball deal and i think ultimately the test for the jury will be a does the person appear credible? we've seen some of the video and i think our viewers will be able to make some of their own decision on that. and b does the other evidence back him up? that'll be the crux of the battleground at trial. >> elie honig, thanks so much. kaitlan collins has much more of that exclusive interview coming up on the source that's tonight at 09:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn on capitol hill house, republicans released a new report today in an effort to discredit the january 6 committee. and one of its star witnesses, cassidy hutchinson, you might remember her dramatic, although secondhand account sound of a physical altercation that took place or so she was told she says between trump and a secret service agent. >> the president reached up toward

20 years working for trump and he claims it was on june 3, 2022, when trump's personal aide, walt nauta, the name may be familiar, asked him if he could borrow butler's suv be to move luggage from mar-a-lago to the former president's personal plane that date is the same date that trump's attorneys met with the fbi touring a basement storage room to look for documents. it's the same day they signed a document saying they hunted for additional papers and found few butler telling kaitlan collins that the luggage he moved included the white bankers boxes in jack smith's indictment >> they were the boxes that were in the indictment. the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember loading and did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially us national security secrets in his box and no clue. >> no. >> i had no clue. i mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate, piling them up. i remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then we're lifting them up to the pilots now, butler says he debated going public for months and only recently decided to speak out

it came from walt nauta. it came from mr. de olivera. and so they'll say it's secondhand, it's not as compelling against donald trump, but as carrie said, it appears this person, mr. butler but it does not have any of criminal liability. doj did not make him plead guilty to a charge. what he probably has as either a non-prosecution agreement, which sort of is what it sounds like, or immunity which is a formal agreement where they say, you're going to testify in your words, won't be used to prosecute you. and so i think there's another line of cross-examination that you're just telling prosecutor here's what they want to hear to save your own hide >> all right. elie, carrie, katelyn, thanks very much in kept kaitlan's catch kaitlan full interview with former trump employee, brian butler, the top of the next hour on her program. the source right here on cnn 09:00 p.m. now, the criminal trial that's scheduled to begin just two weeks from today. that's when jury selection is set to stardom and district attorney alvin bragg's case against the

the allegations against donald trump, walt nauta, and carlos de olivera, that there was a cover-up for trump because trump did not want to give those classified documents back to the federal government. that is no more apparent that it's so obviously a parent in the indictment in that he's listed as trump employee five, and then he's also in speaking to kaitlan collins, able to say about how oh, he had this longtime friendship with carlos de oliveira, the third person who is a defendant with trump. and that friendship broke down the very last line in the indictment against all three of these men, including donald trump, when prosecutors are describing what happened, there, is they described a moment where brian butler was with carlos de oliviera and gets outreach from the other code defendant walt nauta asking brian butler, is carlos loyal? is he going to remain loyal to trump? butler assures him, yes, he will. this is my friend. he doesn't want to do anything to hurt his relationship with donald trump. and then trump calls carlos de olivera directly butler in his conversation with kai

nauta and carlos to go to but trial on july 8th. the three defense attorneys want trump excuse me, want their trial to start in july. i want another one to start in august. what do you think this likely ultimately lands based on the what jack smith wants and what the defense attorneys are arguing yeah i'm gonna go with none of the above >> what's happening. i mean, you talk about this judge being quote, mired in controversy. she's actually taking a very incremental approach to everything when it comes to scheduling. and that's what you normally see in federal court. it's talking to the parties. where are we on discovery? where are we on classified documents? you've got five motions to dismiss pending right now. you've got ten doj attorneys entering their appearance on the case. this is not a quick and simple matter, and so jack smith, i think the approach he took was desperate to try something against president trump before the election, which is really the wrong paradigm for doj to take for jack and the attorney general hello, to t

. >> moving on, among the 150 staff members working at mar-a-lago, was a trump aide named walt nauta, according to special counsel smith, he ordered nauta to move boxes of documents so they could not be found by people looking for them. mr. hur, did president biden ever direct his staff to move documents so that you or the fbi could not find them. >> we did not identify evidence of that. >> in fact, according to your report, as soon as bob bauer discovered material on president biden's residence, he contacted john launch and the president had an fbi search of his home. and you found no evidence documents were moved prior to that search, correct? >> correct. >> that's in stark contrast to donald trump. president biden did not obstruct your investigation, he was fully compliant and with access to the millions of documents he gave you and dozens of hours of witness interviews he facilitated, you were able to fully and totally exonerate him of any criminal wrongdoing. i thank you, mr. hur. and before i yield back, mr. chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record an excerpt f

and brian butler and walt nauta then helped get all of the trump family's luggage over to the airport to go out of town for the summer. that's not all he said. >> there's >> more of what brian butler told kaitlan collins here at cnn earlier today >> and then what happened is walt left before me and he never goes directly to the plane. he's either in the motorcade when he goes there with the boss, which the former president and i remember telling him he left the club with i didn't know what he had in his vehicle, but he waited for me at a nearby business and i told him i would tell him when i was leaving mar-a-lago so i left mar-a-lago. i texted him, hey, i'm on my way >> he followed me. he pulled out and got behind me. we got to the airport. i ended up loading all the luggage i had and he had a bunch of boxes. >> you >> noticed that he had thought they were the boxes that were in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember. the loading. >> and did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially us national security secrets in those boxes? >> no cl

he helped trump co-defendant walt nauta load several boxes onto trump's plane at the west palm beach on june 3rd of 2022. that was the same time the fbi was searching a storage area at mar-a-lago for classified documents. >> did you have any idea at the time that there was potentially u.s. national security secrets in those boxes? >> no clue. we were just taking them out of the escalade, piling them up. they were all stacked on top of each other, and we were lifting them up to the pilots. >> how many boxes? >> they asked me in the interview. i believe it was 10 to 15, is what i remember. >> they being the investigators? >> correct. >> when you look back on that now, what do you -- >> well, had no clue. until probably the end of june, there was a few different things that happened that kind of opened my eyes to, you know, something is going on here. >> so you get the unusual request. did you ever think to yourself, why were there so many boxes at mar-a-lago? >> for me, i'm just thinking, the former president, he has a lot of stuff he likes to lug around with him. i never would have th

butler claims to have told investigators about is how he unknowingly helped trump's co-defendant walt nautas that held classified materials, as well as overhearing australian billionaire repeat classified information after meeting with trump. >> he finishes his meeting with the former president, gets in the car. and his chief of staff says, how did the meeting go? pratt without saying just says he told me and it would be, you know, u.s. military classified information of what he told him about russian submarines and u.s. submarines. and that's really all i remember hearing, and i went, what? i'm thinking this. i'm in the car, like, did i just hear that? >> now, as a reminder, when that news broke last year about trump's alleged disclosure of classified information to the australian billionaire, trump denied it, calling it fake news that he shared such information with the, quote, red-haired weirdo from australia. and as you would expect, even with this latest corroboration from this former mar-a-lago employee, the republicans remain silent on trump's alleged crimes. joining me is congresswo

>> otto nauta some way out. >> the only godaddy arrow helps you get your business online and minutes with the power of with the perfect name, great logo, and a beautiful website to start with a domain, a few clicks. and you're in business. >> make now the future at >> godaddy.com slash arrow that was paying for my x's wine club membership for months before i call but after we broke up, i forgot all about it, but my credit card did not. that's why i downloaded rocket money, an app that shows you all your subscriptions in one place. i mean, you don't want you cancel right knee, raise a glass of smarter spending and download rocket money today is he i get discounts from my safe driving this and absolved from progressive. i even got a discount for signing up great. >> should we go now while i'm holding my phone >> nursery, we can hit the road as soon as i see some seat belts >> this is americans by partisan checklist. one, shut down the border to meet three, support or close friends in israel for stand up to china's military threat? we can't afford dc businesses. usual, there's a biparti

two weeks after the fbi discovers the classified documents jack smith's brief writes nauta called you said someone just wants to make sure carlos is good, what you just referenced, and you said he was loyal. the same day trump tells de oliveira he would get him an attorney. what did loyalty mean then? >> well, i mean, to me it means whatever was going on with him, with carlos, walt and the former president, was that he wasn't going to say anything to affect what was going on at the time, whether it's the boxes -- >> to potentially commit -- potentially another trump staffer committing a new crime of misleading or lying to federal investigators. >> that -- that sounds correct. but moments after that phone call with walt and then i confirmed in the chat -- in a chat group with who i now know -- well, i knew at the time susie wiels, which i don't even remember talking to her before, then i'm telling her in a chat message how loyal carlos is. >> were they using signal because they thought it wouldn't get caught? the fact it's in jack smith's indictment means it got caught. >> i'm -- i'm n

former trump employee, brian butler telling cnn about how he unknowingly helped trump co-defendant walt nauta, move some boxes from mar-a-lago onto trump's plane this was the same day that trump's team was meeting with the doj at mar-a-lago. let's listen i had loaded a bunch of the family luggage into a minivan and i was just going to drive it to the plane, loaded up and that's it. but during the us getting luggage, walt asked, hey, i need a minivan. sure. go ahead. >> and then he left and i was i didn't think anything of it. it was a little odd the way he asked me. i mean it's stood out now after all this but him and carlos were gone at that time i didn't know because typically he wouldn't go get a vehicle, drive himself, and get luggage >> so it was unusual for him to make that ask of you? >> it seemed odd to me so if the trump team wasn't trying to hide anything, if they believe that these were >> personal records, why take these extra steps that were unusual to employees at mar-a-lago, why not just go to the national archives and say, here's what we've got. let's hash it out. why this why

and handled car service for the former president butler told cnn he helped trump codefendant walt nautaral boxes onto trump's plane at the west palm beach airport on june 3rd of 2022. that was the same time the fbi was searching a storage area at mar-a-lago for classified documents. >> so, you know, we're there to assist with luggage, anything that needs to go to the plane. we got to the airport. i ended up loading all the luggage i had, and he had a bunch of boxes >> you noticed that he had boxes? >> oh, yeah, they were the boxes that were in the indictment. we were just taking them out of the escalade, piling them up i remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then we're lifting them up to the pilots. >> seth: okay, first of all, why were they lifting them up to the pilot? the only i'm i've ever seen anyone lifting anything up to the pilot is when it's a movie in a small plane in south america and they're handing over bales of cocaine. [ light laughter ] the first rule of air travel is, "when the pilot does the luggage, it's a crime. [ light laughter ] oh, unless it's sp

interpretation and investigators will want to know if something happened in the cockpit of this boeing 787 nauta 7:37 max, like we saw during the alaska airlines door plug blow out two months ago, even still boeing says it's working together more information about this incident and is standing by to support an investigation. >> this plane >> was to go on to santiago, chile, and the latest data from flightaware shows that the plane remains in auckland technical event or not? passengers describing this lycus of your turbulence incident? one telling radio new zealand that blood was on the ceiling and people flew and broke the ceiling of the plane. first responders treated 50 people in total on board this flight, 12 taken to the hospital, one patient in serious condition. so regardless so the cause sara the bottom line here is that you should keep your seat belt on all of the time even if the seatbelt sign is off, there's only underscores the need to stay buckled up because the national transportation safety board says the number one cause of incident on commercial airliners and the us is turbulence

he did a great job in august as you know, i told you less nauta thought he would do a great job that audiences is element. and i wasn't surprised at how long they stayed because he he lives in a bubble and they don't let him talk to people in head all of his friends there. so it was happier. >> but i think he also laid out a vision. he laid out his vision for the future. he did >> i think >> one of things all of us have not done a good job about talking about what we have gotten accomplished in the last three years. he reminded people evolve the things that we've gotten done called republicans on some of it, like lowering prescription drugs and the infrastructure bill fill in the money out there and most of you didn't vote for it, but you're taking credit for it now, that was one of my favorite lines >> but he >> laid out his vision and i think because it is a very stark choice between another four years of joe biden, what he wants to do, how he's going to support the middle class, how he's going to protect people's freedoms started in width, women's rights and women's freedoms and v

walt nauta, his political aide, the third co-defendant. he wants a date to start in september. we will see where the judge comes down on this, but john, there is a real question here. if the judge schedules this federal criminal case against donald trump for the mishandling of classified documents. here in florida in july or august or september, does that mean? that there is almost no possibility for a january 6 federal criminal child to be held before the election. that is going to be a very big question for the other judge on your chutkan in washington dc, and we'll have to see how that plays out closer to the date, but it's really going to be a popcorn situation this summer with trial dates. and when things will happen, how long they will take an even if there will be a trial in this case, trump has also pointed out in his filings that it's a busy campaign season. there's a lot of primaries and he would prefer not to be in trial during the election season. >> kayla, poland's is great to have you there explaining to us everything that will take place today. we'll check back i

you still got a landline in your house, auto nauta subway out. >> okay. everyone our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition or strength and energy >> ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein i kept the cabinet for three days because it be sweet what i'm 12 hour short on weekends we was that necessary? >> no. >> neither is a blonde weekend with paycom employees do their own payroll. >> so you can fix problems before they become problems >> get pay calm, and make the unnecessary, unnecessary. >> see you down a lot the omaha steaks semiannual sale is back right now. you'll save 50% sitewide on america's best steaks, chicken burgers and so much more. >> all backed by >> our 100% guarantee that you'll love every byte. never tried omaha steaks, save an extra $30 with fromo code first time visit omaha steaks.com slash tv today and sink your teeth into big savings on the quality you deserve i'm bobby brown and i started jones road because i wasn't done jones road is a modern approac

and now we need to be discrete ravil for you but isha and the nauta thank you for your time this morning. and to you, and viktor back at the scene and santo richard. >> thank you so much, dr. j. morgan is joining us this morning. she's a cardiologist and executive director of health and community education and piedmont health care. >> and we don't know a lot of details, obviously for the type of cancer or princess kate has, or what stage she is in. we don't know the prognosis, but here's what we do know in january, she had major abdominal surgery at the time the palace says it was thought to be non-cancerous, but then cancer showed up in tests after the operation and she stayed in the hospital nearly two weeks and then she began chemotherapy in late february so dr.. morgan is here now in studio to talk more about this. again, we don't know a lot i just wanted to get your take on this because, you know we're hearing that she went in for major abdominal surgery. doctors believed that the condition was non-cancerous. do you believe and then they found out after the fact and they performed s

otto nauta some way out, america's hospitals have been pushed to the brink of broken supply chains, workforce shortages, and high inflation. more than 100 rural hospitals have already closed and many more operate in the red. now, some in congress want to reduce billions of dollars in funding for patient care. this will jeopardize patient access to quality care, especially in underserved communities. swets, we have what you need to stay warm well, what's your mom go to fabletics.com gets 70% every single thing >> in brazil are alvarez and brownsville, texas. >> and this is cnn closed captioning brought to you by mesobook.com our fred has offered a free book about mesothelioma for over ten years mesothelioma is really all we do. >> 80087 to 4901 more than a dozen states will hold their primary contests on super tuesday. and despite racking up losses to this point, including in her home state of south carolina, nikki haley is vowing to stay in the nomination race against former president trump i've always said this needs to be competitive as long as we are competitive, as long as we are showing

so saying in court filings tonight that he believes trump and his two co-defendants body man, walt nauta and mar-a-lago property manager, carlos de olivera, should go to trial on july 8, if not coincidentally, or maybe not coincidentally, one week before trump is all but certain to become the nominee at the republican convention. funny how this works right? meanwhile, his attorneys, who this he can, cannot have a fair trial before the election are now saying about august 12, so what happens if this case goes to trial before millions of americans go to the polls on election day. will we add to discuss and law enforcement analyst and former deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe. so glad that you're here with me tonight. i mean but this is like an energizer bunny of things. he is going to keep going forward for supreme court, be. he wants these cases done. what do you make of this idea of july 8th? why would he want to do that? >> really interesting pick on behalf of the special counsel team. so you know, this laura, from year-old days at work, where we used to where we used to work, ev

got a call from walt nauta after the search happened. >> what did he say to you? >> so i was on the my way, did my birthday weekend down at the hardrock and i think i texted him like, hey, you know, we'll talk like in an hour, i was with people or something so i called him back and he's like, hey, someone just wants to make sure carlos is good. i'm with carlos. we're at the hardrock by the food court and his phone rings and it's the former president it takes to call where we're standing in the food court. i think we went to sit down and he i can't remember how long the conversation was, but i know at the end of the conversation when they hung up, carlo said he's gonna get me an attorney and joining me now is miles taylor. he's a former trump homeland security's official who penned the infamous now anonymous op-ed that warned about donald trump his book, blowback, a warning to save democracy from trump's revenge is out in paperback next month miles, it has always been alleged that trump basically acts like a mob kingpin this, and that anecdote, especially at the en

according to special counsel smith, trump ordered nauta to move boxes of documents so that they could not be found by people looking for them. mr. her did president biden ever direct his staff to move documents? so that you are the fbi could not find them, waited, not identify evidence of that. in fact, according to your report, as soon as bob bauer discovered material and president biden's residence, he contacted john lausch and the president immediately consented to an fbi search of his home. is that correct? >> my report does state that and you found no evidence that any documents were moved prior to that search. is that correct? correct. >> that's in stark contrast to donald trump president biden did not obstruct your investigation. he was fully compliant and with access to the millions of documents he gave you and dozens of hours of witness interviews. he facilitated you were able to fully and totally exonerate him of any criminal wrongdoing. i thank you, mr. hur. and before i yield back, mr. chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter into to the record an excerpt from the commit

also connected to the us's relationship, but also to the hostage deal and ceasefire two hours from nauta security council is going to convene and vote on a draft resolution put forward. but by several of its members, that is calling for ceasefire during ramadan, but also for the release of the hostages. the us, as far as i know from my sources, at the moment, is not expected to veto this resolution. and if this will happen, it will be the first time that security council resolution calling for a ceasefire will pass without the us veto since the beginning of the war. this will be a clear sign from the biden administration for israel, time is running out >> brockovich. that's bag that because the us has vetoed some of the others. and then you had russia and there's vetoing the us proposal for a ceasefire, but that would be a very big development if this went through barack ravi. thank you for your reporting. i appreciate it. john we're getting new details this morning out of russia about the men charged in the terror attack that left well over 100 dead there. >> and then the breaking >> ne

it only works now to saturday screen buddy, you still got a landline, your house on a nauta subway out >> this is a keepsake frame. this is actually a photo from my wedding i'm adam weiss, founder and ceo of keepsake, the mobile app that makes it easy to have your photos printed, framed, and shipped to your doorstep. you just choose a photo that you log. you can preview it in over 100 frames and in a couple of days, you're going to receive your photo in a beautiful, handmade france. so he's got a special photo on your phone. install the free keepsake app. we would love a chance to frame it for you. >> tax seasons, hunting season for identities which is why tax fraud was up 30% last year. lifelock alerts you and works to fix problems with a dedicated restoration agent lifelock, identity theft protection, stop parts here >> demand for energy is growing and so as the need for american oil and natural gas, it's time to turn the lights america's resources are abundant. our nation is a global leader in reducing emissions and innovators and delivering more energy sources to secure for our fut

it's interesting because walt nauta actually is unavailable on that august 12th date.s available in september, but they didn't say all three of us could be going forward on september date. why? because then maybe judge chutkan could go in with an august date and get ahead of the calendar. this is all very strategic, but it's kind of a wink wink nod nod, sure, we'll have a trial date because you've asked us to propose a schedule, but there's no intention. everything in that filing said we reserve the right to make all kinds of objections, you know, that could delay this, so the delay tactic strategy will still be fully on display in this case. >> lisa, just how much is the supreme court looming over this case? >> oh, it's absolutely looming over this case, they filed a motion to dismiss the indictment on presidential immunity grounds on february 22nd. and so even though trump has many motions to dismiss, mft, there are six others, the fact that he says he's immune from prosecution, they will maintain that that means he's not only immune from liability at the end of a tr

. >> i think it's less important that donald trump be at these hearings than say walt nauta, his co-defendant, carlos de oliveira, his codefendant, because those are people who i think are in a certain way in greater jeopardy and would be in greater jeopardy at sentencing. i think trump could not show up. i do think he wants to be there there is an argument and lawyers have made this to me. they did is better for a defendant to be in court. we know that trump's sort of over-learned the lesson of not showing up to the first e jean carroll trial in 2023. however, based on how trump behaved in the other civil actions in new york, one was another e jean carroll trial. one was new york attorney general trial. i'm not sure how much which is presence helped him. this is a different setting. this is a judge he appointed and it's a different case. >> and also what's notable is there's this fight going on between trump's attorneys and the doj in this case over revealing the names of the witnesses here, and we spoke with one of them on monday, trump employee five, brian butler. as you know, and this is

anderson think it's nauta flip on my side. i don't know if you can hear me and i got the beginning of the question. i understand that there was an exchange or fire towards the trucks after they progressed even further going north. and we understand that one of their drivers one of the palestinian drivers, was actually killed as a result of this. this is a report we've received. >> i would say that the incident is still being investigated and there may be some more information that comes out that we will of course, make public. we understand the severity of the situation in northern gaza we understand that there is a dire humanitarian situation, and this is precisely the reason why we've been putting an effort to get food supplies up into the north over the last few days extensively. the reality is a reality that is challenging. it is a reality where they're in the north of gaza. there is still combat and attacks that are taking place and now we are seeking out the hamas terrorists are trying to regroup in order to conduct more

. >> so now it seems really odd to me >> so of course the walton that clip walt nauta, who is tied up in all this very close trump aide who was involved. i mean, when i hear that i mean, it sounds like a cover-up. right. i mean, what how do you think this plays politically in the murder, someone who was legally you think this means and it also sounds like he came forward to do this interview because he didn't think he was going to be able to be anonymous. you just didn't believe that that would be possible in today's climate. so it's all very interesting. it also tells me that there are many people who worked for for the former president or at mar who observe things who weren't comfortable with what they had to say and are available to talk about it when reached. but so far we what we have seen is that people's views on this are really baked in. and that most people have made up their minds about how they feel about donald trump and joe biden i don't know if it's a game changer in any way, if it would significantly move voters who thought they were committed to donald trump away from

it only worked on the other side of the screen but you still got a landline in your house or nauta subway out >> we've come from a long ladder, cowboys when i see all one was at illinois red i see happen. i'll legacy can go >> did you know taking xyz all at night release allergies while you sleep? so you wake refreshed for more productive de get 24 hour continuous relief that does not fade. hawaii's all take xyz off at night. >> everybody wants super straight super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile nuisance in clinical white writes two shades, whiter teeth and 24/7 then sensitive your production. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients >> the omaha steaks semiannual sale is back right now. you'll save 50% sitewide on america's best steaks, chicken burgers, and so much more all backed by our 100% guarantee that you'll love every byte. never tried omaha steaks, save an extra $30 with promo code first time, this the omaha steaks.com slash tv today and sink your teeth is it possible to count on my internet like my customers count on me? it is with co

nauta. >> thank you >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> mr. her, in your written testimony, you say that you've found some evidence that the president might have willfully retained classified materials at the end of his vice presidency, correct? correct. >> but ultimately, you've included that you could not prove the charge in a court of law in your words, you quote, did not identify evidence that rose to the level of proof down to reasonable doubt. close quote correct? >> that was my judgment. >> you have been a prosecuted for a long time, is to her. >> would >> you agree that there is no such thing as being a little bit charged for a crime. you're either charged or you're not, correct? >> could you please repeat the question, congressman, would you agree that there's no such thing as being a little bit charged for a crime. you're either charged or you are not charged, correct? >> yes, it is binary. either one is not shrinking or char just to be clear, because so many people have taken your words out of context. your ultimate conclusion was t

this guy's best friends are trump's co-defendant, walt nauta and employee number three, car lost dee al vero, who's charged in a superseding indictment, and he's telling us that nowhere, no how trump should be anywhere near the oval office. that's why trump doesn't want a trial. >> and the interesting thing is, when he mentions the common throwaway line, well, biden did it, biden didn't do this. they were running these boxes out of there right before the fbi came to pick them up they were told, the feds are coming this afternoon. they were trying to leak videotape that showed them trying to hide these boxes. he cavalierly showed some woman writing a book the military's plan that would be implemented if we ever invaded iran. this is so different. it is the cover-up that reveals the criminal and we used to tell young prosecutors all the time, pay attention to what the criminal does after he commits the crime, because that tells the jury the story. that tells the jury that this is someone who did something they knew was wrong, and they're trying to hide it. that's not what joe biden did

among the 150 staff members working at mar-a-lago, was a trump aide named walter nauta.s so that they could not be found by people looking for them. mr. hur, did president biden ever direct his staff to move documents so that you or the fbi could not find them? >> we did not identify evidence of that. >> in fact, according to your report, as soon as bob auer discovered material in president biden's residence, he contacted and the president immediately consented to an fbi search of his home, is that correct? >> my report does state that. >> and you found noevidence that any documents were moved prior to that search, is that correct? >> correct. >> that's in stark contrast to donald trump. president biden did not obstruct your investigation. he was ■fully compliant, and with access to the millions of documents he gave you and dozens of hours of witness interviews he facilitated, you were able to fully and totally exonerate him of any criminal wrongdoing. i thank you, mr. hur, and before i yield back, mr. chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record an excerpt

among the 150 staff members working at mar-a-lago, was a trump aide named walter nauta.ccording to special counsel smith, trump ordered him to move boxes of documents so that they could not be found by people looking for them. mr. hur, did president biden ever direct his staff to move documents so that you or the fbi could not find them? >> we did not identify evidence of that. >> in fact, according to your report, as soon as bob auer discovered material in president biden's residence, he contacted john lau and the president immediately consented to an fbi search of his home, is that correct? >> my report does state that. >> and you found no evidence that any documents were moved prior to that search, is that correct? >> correct. >> that's in stark contrast to donald trump. president biden did not obstruct your investigation. he was fully compliant, and with access to the millions of documents he gave you and dozens of hours of witness interviews he facilitated, you were able to fully and totally exonerate him of any criminal wrongdoing. i thank you, mr. hur, and before

special counsel jack smith that on june 3rd, 2022, he was asked by trump's valet and co-defendant, walt nauta which he'd later learn were full of documents, on to trump's plane in florida. butler said he later had conversations with his friend, mar-a-lago property manager and trump co-defendant, d oliveira, about efforts to review and delete security footage. >> the way i see it, if these were his personal documents, or he's allowed to have these by the pra, why would you have questions about video footage? why would you possibly move the documents when they're coming to retreat them? to me, it doesn't make any sense. on top of that, why would you put two lower-level employees in the position you are in if you did nothing wrong and these are your personal documents? >> so you had the impression from the people around that trump knew the things that went down were bad or illegal, and he didn't want that on video? >>. >> absolutely. why else would you need to know the footage? why were they saying, this guy was on video moving boxes? >> butler added he does not believe the investigation is poli