particular trip, and together with other beautiful members of pen, with kateryna kalytko again, with sofia andruhovichhtan kyboladze, and here in novgorod siversky, which is actually border. territory, so there 20-30 km to the russian border, one man stood up at the meeting, there was an extremely sincere conversation, and he told us the following, he says that you can't... believe it, but ukrainian writers from 1989, 89, and we are all very sorry i was impressed at the time, i remember that the soviet authorities took very good care of the fact that there were contacts between artists and writers with people in the largest provinces, cities, towns, villages from the center, even there... on farms , pig farms, they are everywhere did concerts, some, some meetings, how can it be done now, that is, there is no such propaganda apparatus, yes, what would this contact provide, but contact is needed, somehow, as you see it, this is how it can be organized so that it is on some to such a wider level, because pen equally will not be able to to do this, this is this contact, which is very necessary for both us