and the only thing that compares to that is what's outside the alexandria eastern district of virginia courthouse, joe, and you and i have both spoken with mainstream american journalists who either will not take a position on julian's case or who are hostile to him. and this is despite the fact that they and their news outlets have used the information that we can weeks has revealed in their own reported one important journalist with whom i spoke so that julian is not a journalist, but an activist. even if people don't believe he's a journalist though they have to can see that he's a publisher. why is there so much push back in the american media? i've been just gets a friend in the mainstream media. i mean, i used to be a, for more than 20 years in the mainstream and i know the pressures they are involved . they're the, what is allowed and what's not allowed. you just notice if you want us to 5, and if your career is doesn't, almost everyone isn't the managed media. you're going to be doing what you need to do to get ahead of your this gets a for any of the new york times putting out

we prosecuted the 9/11 conspiracy in the eastern district of virginia in alexandria, just a few miles from the pentagon. and we weren't looking for people who had never heard of 9/11. i don't think anyone who walked into the courtroom as a potential juror supported al qaeda. we just need people who can be fair. i hear over and over again that manhattan is heavily democratic and mr. trump can't get a fair trial there. that is utter nonsense. an outlier can always sneak in. there could be a mistrial. but at the end of the day, can you find a dozen people in new york city to be fair? absolutely. >> but catherine, how do you weed out people who want to be on a jury because they are celebrity seekers? they want to be part of history. maybe they want to do a book or something afterwards. go on tiktok. >> the stealth juror. >> yeah. >> it's going to be experience. both sides have experienced lawyers and what i would also do, i look. you talk about paying attention. who's not paying attention? who's always on their phone? who, you know, has some ridiculous t-shirts on. >> are they allowed to