doctor denise pope, stanford senior lecturer and co-founder of challenge success, a nonprofit that seeks to improve student engagement and well-being. doctor pope, nice to have you back on the show. >> thanks so much for having me. >> yeah, this is fascinating. your team, you were part of a team that set out to explore whether the proliferate of ai tools affected cheating in schools. so how did you go about this? >> we happen to be in the right place at the right time. we have been studying cheating for many, many years in schools and so when chatgpt came out, we were set up to do a really nice pre-post with similar schools, if not the same schools that had surveyed with us earlier in the year than chatgpt came out, which was the more public version of some of these ai chat bots at the time. and then we got to survey the same schools, and we found that really there wasn't any difference in the cheating. it did not go up drastically as everybody was afraid of. that's the good news. the bad news is the cheating was pretty high to start out with in the first place. cheating was about, yeah,