— that jfsa's aim? it was to try and establish the _ that jfsa's aim?s aim? it was to try and establish the truth about it, i that jfsa's aim? it was to try and establish the truth about it, yes. | establish the truth about it, yes. is that how it ended up? i establish the truth about it, yes. is that how it ended up?- is that how it ended up? i think there was _ is that how it ended up? i think there was a _ is that how it ended up? i think there was a slight _ is that how it ended up? i think| there was a slight disagreement is that how it ended up? i think i there was a slight disagreement over there was a slight disagreement over the world systemic issues and how further extended but, yes, basically that's where it started from. so further extended but, yes, basically that's where it started from. 50 i that's where it started from. so i was there _ that's where it started from. so i was there anything _ that's where it started from. sr i was there anything else and you wanted draw attention to? fin was there anything else and you wanted draw attentio

. -- mike andy jfsa. which seems to us to be awed and wrong.— to be awed and wrong.ith _ to be awed and wrong. so the meeting went ahead with you _ to be awed and wrong. so the meeting went ahead with you with _ to be awed and wrong. so the meeting went ahead with you with other - to be awed and wrong. so the meeting went ahead with you with other mps i went ahead with you with other mps where the jfsa went ahead with you with other mps where thejfsa and second sight but without the post office? yes. we have our without the post office? i2; we have your speaking notes without the post office? i23 we have your speaking notes that meeting, your chief of staff's minutes of that meeting and second sight�*s speaking notes. ijust want to look at the last of those. which is jarb 00000a7. these are the second site —— second sight notes for the meeting for the 25th of march 2013. there is a summary in the first, second, third and fourth paragraphs and then scroll down, please. and that the foot of the page, they recall that the fast track review process had identified the fol

you say in the statement, jfsa that? yes. you say in the statement, jfsa announced _ that? yes.eens bench division of the high court which means the case will continue through the court as a group action and post office limited is defending the claim and over a thousand sub—postmasters have said they will join the action. sub-postmasters have said they will join the action-— join the action. about 1200 applied but b the join the action. about 1200 applied but by the time _ join the action. about 1200 applied but by the time we _ join the action. about 1200 applied but by the time we sifted _ join the action. about 1200 applied but by the time we sifted through i but by the time we sifted through then we _ but by the time we sifted through then we finished up with a 550. the second then we finished up with a 550. second page, then we finished up with a 550. ti2 second page, there, we have a quote from you, anna bates says the case is now up and running. —— alan bates. ijust want i just want to ask you some questions about the rest of the e—mail, even though you were not copied in

the working group was a combination of the jfsa - mediation scheme?nation of the jfsa and - was a combination of thejfsa and post office and we had an independent chair, sir anthony hooper. and then second sight were employed to work for the working group to do the investigation and report back to the group accordingly and produced the report. he report back to the group accordingly and produced the report.— and produced the report. he said it was never agreed _ and produced the report. he said it was never agreed the _ and produced the report. he said it was never agreed the working - and produced the report. he said it| was never agreed the working group woods to discuss individual cases and make decisions on whether to second sight to decide this send the mediation scheme would undertake the process of mediating between post office and sub—postmasters. however agreeing a format... briefly, who would make decisions on whether to mediate and whether that was down to second sight. new i think wrote an e—mail about this to sir anthony hooper, can we se

yes. . ., , 2010, jfsa was well established. yes. .., , ~' , 2010, jfsa was well established.ay _ yes. the computer weekly article had been written in may 2009 _ yes. the computer weekly article had been written in may 2009 and - yes. the computer weekly article had been written in may 2009 and you i been written in may 2009 and you were interviewed as part of the work. . . . were interviewed as part of the work. , ., , . were interviewed as part of the work-_ the i were interviewed as part of the work. , ., , . the work work. yes, that is correct. the work drew together— work. yes, that is correct. the work drew together facts _ work. yes, that is correct. the work drew together facts about _ work. yes, that is correct. the work drew together facts about a - work. yes, that is correct. the work drew together facts about a number of cases. siam can we look at the letter, as we can see from the way you have addressed the letter, at the top the minister for postal affairs within the department of business, innovation and skills. to put his position in context, he was the then mi

was born and onwards— joined up and jfsa was born and onwards went the campaign.witness statement you have dedicated this part of your life this cause. is that how it has seemed felt? firstly that it has required dedication, but secondly it is a cause? i required dedication, but secondly it is a cause? ~ , required dedication, but secondly it isacause? ~ , ., is a cause? i think it is also stubbornness _ is a cause? i think it is also stubbornness as _ is a cause? i think it is also stubbornness as well. i is a cause? i think it is also stubbornness as well. as i is a cause? i think it is also i stubbornness as well. as you got is a cause? i think it is also - stubbornness as well. as you got to meet _ stubbornness as well. as you got to meet people and realised it wasn't 'ust meet people and realised it wasn't just yourself and you saw the harm and injustice that had been descended upon them, it was something you felt you had to deal with _ something you felt you had to deal with it's _ something you felt you had to deal with. it's something you couldn't put down