joel laubscher with united policyholders, thank you so much. >> yeah, thanks for having me. >> speaking of, technology, is cheating becoming more prevalent in our nation's schools, and does it have anything to do with ai? stanford university school of education lecturer joins us next to talk about challenges problem sets. but is that happening? is the technology having a detrimental effect on academic learning? a leading stanford education researcher went looking for answers, joining us live now to talk about her research. doctor denise pope, stanford senior lecturer and co-founder of challenge success, a nonprofit that seeks to improve student engagement and well-being. doctor pope, nice to have you back on the show. >> thanks so much for having me. >> yeah, this is fascinating. your team, you were part of a team that set out to explore whether the proliferate of ai tools affected cheating in schools. so how did you go about this? >> we happen to be in the right place at the right time. we have been studying cheating for many, many years in schools and so when chatgpt came out, we were