we approve the nih and niaid found cheese agency knew about this proposal and were part of the proposalpite him continued dumb a continuing and public saying had nothing to do with it that it ties nih to the funding of research that may well have led to covid-19. >> john: a name that comes up in all of this is that of peter does asked the head of the echo health alliance will be testifying before the committee in the house the discrepancy that came up when he gave behind closed doors testimony and that was about a project called "diffuse" >> same thing. >> to make a fearing cleavage site in a virus according to winthrop the proposal said that the research would be done in the university of north carolina but that in fact it was actually targeted to the wuhan institute what he know about that? >> it's the same proposal, it's defuse which was never funded by the u.s. government but we know wuhan continues to do this research and a lot of people knew it was going on including anthony fauci and never revealed it to the public. in fact, it sort of the opposite. if you have this knowledge and

we now have proof that the nih and niaid knew about this proposal and were part of the proposal despite him continuing in public to say he knew nothing of this proposal. this is the smoking gun that ties anthony fauci and nih to the funding of research that may well have led to covid-19. >> harris: is it too late to go after fauci? >> it's a scandal and whether or not fauci himself is ever held accountable for any of this. some of the facts we've outlined and beyond are pretty damming for him. the under lying damage that he and others have done that their own credibility and public health bureaucracies. for a long time the people in charge, the powers that be insisted that the rest of the country just prostrate themselves before the altar of expertise. and over these last few years a lot of people said hang on a second, that actually hasn't gone well for us. it looks like you lied to us and misled us intentionally about some really big issues in order to cover up things that you thought could hurt your side politically or that might hurt your funding moving forward for something, or you

anthony fauci who was the head of the niaid of the time who's the top virologist in the country denied wuhan listen to what he said back in 2021. >> i will repeat again the nih and niad categorically has not funded gain-of-function research to be conducted in the wuhan institute -- >> john: of course in congress the biggest b in his bonnet was senator rand paul of kentucky who said this listen here. >> you say it doesn't exist because you change the definition on the website. this is terrible and you are completely trying to escape the idea that we should do something about trying to prevent a pandemic from leaking from a lab. there is a preponderance of evidence now pointing toward this coming from the lab and what you've done is change the definition on the website to ty to cover your delete basically. >> john: what do you think? >> they changed the definition on the website and no one else has the unique definition. >> john: i guess my question is did it or didn't not happen? and did this come from the lab or not? >> as far as the eco-health alliance grant is concerned, dr. fauci si

the online auction is now live, and for more, we're joined here in studio by niaid's director liam goldinia griffin. one of the artists at niad, as well as dietra. colbert also an artist as well. thank you everyone for being here. we really appreciate your time. it's always wonderful to have you in the studio. felicia i would like to start with you, if i could, because i, i understand that at the fundraising celebration, you are going to be honored because you've been with niad for 39 years, right? what does it mean to you to, to be honored in this way for the time you've you've put in? well >> for a long time in and i love it. >> what's so special about niad and the artists that you mentor? >> and all. is it. >> it's beautiful. it's a it's a beautiful piece. and you really help a lot of younger artists, right? to kind of find their voice. right? yeah that's really important, i know, and this is you here too? >> yes. >> i love this piece. >> what what inspired this piece ? that i love doing this. and it has this. in it. yeah i can tell you'd love to do it. >> and dietra you. you have a pa