renato mariotti. the first time we've seen a president they are in a criminal case.e moment we have reached? it is quite a moment. — moment we have reached? it is quite a moment. i — moment we have reached? it is quite a moment, i will— moment we have reached? it is quite a moment, i will say— moment we have reached? it is quite a moment, i will say that. _ moment we have reached? it is quite a moment, i will say that. despite i a moment, iwill say that. despite all the controversy surrounding donald trump, at the end of the day, what will matter in this case is the evidence in front of the jury, the testimony of thejury evidence in front of the jury, the testimony of the jury hears and really the arguments that are made by the attorneys so what we just heard a moment ago, the bluster and maybe i would say misleading statements by the former president, none of that will matter within the four walls of a courtroom. in terms ofthat four walls of a courtroom. in terms of thatjury. _ four walls of a courtroom. in terms ofthatjury. your— four walls of a courtroom. in term

craig, katie phang, and renato mariotti.this conversation about the jurors and what's to be expected by them. i'm amazed by this quote from a juror who was seated. juror number 11 was asked earlier, how she felt about trump. she responded that she didn't have strong opinions but added, i don't like this persona. how he presents himself in public. she then said, i don't like some of my coworkers but i don't try to sabotage their work, she says, drawing an outburst of laughter from the jury box. i'm amazed by that. i think that is amazing but it speaks to this idea that we're trying to find this safe space. do you think that, not only is that a great quote, but do you think that's reflective of perhaps how a number of these jurors may feel even if they weren't that elkwnlt because they can't say they don't know the guy, but they say they can look at the situation fairly? >> i think some of them, yes. i think we have some people, i'm sure, in there that don't like him. but can set aside those feelings and move forward. i sat th

renato mariotti, thank you.you to the live pictures in w york and reflect on what we heard from the nypd, hosting that police press conference, giving us details about what happened, because of course there were plenty of police outside the court, as you would expect, plenty of press and media as well. and so they witnessed, lots of people outside the courthouse witnessed that man, to the park opposite the courthouse, pour a liquid over himself, set himself on fire, after he had thrown pamphlets up into the air with conspiracy theories on them. his name, maxwell asaz zarello, born in 1987 and from florida. he is in critical condition. police saying they will be reassessing security outside the courthouse. plenty more to come. stay with us. i'm lewis vaughan jones. announcer: funding for presentation of this program is provided by... financial services firm, raymond james. bdo. accountants and advisors. cunard is a proud supporter of public television. announcer: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundati

pronounced the sentence ten to 15 years. 15 years is the maximum for this offense >> i want to go to a renato mariotti. it's well on this renato, i know you forgive me. i don't think we're not ready yet, jeanne, i just want to put this in context. you have covered unfortunately, your fair share of trials, particularly when it comes to shootings and even, and especially school shootings. >> the >> fact that the parents are being held culpable in this case by involuntary are four and voluntary manslaughter. again, they were already convicted of that, but that they are going to be sentenced to ten to 15 years in prison for that culpability. how significant is this moment >> absolutely. so significant prosecutors around the country are watching this case. they are looking at this case when i interviewed karen mcdonald shortly after the conviction, i said, do you believe that this is president setting for other processes? computers in this country to follow suit of what you did. her response was they need to ask the question, where did the gun come from regarding the minor child? where did it come from? >>

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i want to bring in formal power prosecutor, renato mariotti, renato, so glad you're here. i mean, frankly this question has been looming for some time. will he violate the gag order? has way he's done so far violate the gag order. now, this is opposed to truth social. there's absolutely no evidence of the fact that there are somehow these leaper jurors. so that's been a question people have had. >> but the gag order prohibits trump from doing this. >> let's read it for everyone to see what it's actually on the table here it prohibits that him from making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. so my question to you oh does this post violate that gag order on its face? >> i think it obviously does. and the question is going to be well, his lawyers be able to convince the judge that there are some question about it because he's technically quoting someone else unpack that for me because that phrasing of it has to or cause somebody else to do it. i think he'll make the argument. will he not that he's

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. >> renato mariotti, ken dilanian, thank you both so much. by the way, that's not all the trump legal drama today. new york is gearing up for the hush money case. one of course of the most consequential trials in american history and now less than 72 hours away. today the u.s. secret service and the nypd insists they are ready. they've got plenty of experience handling high profile trials, even though no one has ever seen anything quite like this. i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, elise jo r dan is here, former white house and an msnbc political analyst. lisa, monday is the start of jury selection. what are you going to be watching for? >> i'm going to be watching to see how often the defense tries to use challenges for cause, so chris, let me just lay out for you and your viewers, there are two types of ways to get rid of potential jurors. one is called a preemptory challenge. you can exercise it for any reason, no questions asked. the other is a challenge for cause where you have reason to believe that somebody should

joining me now, former federal prosecutor renato mariotti. he is a legal affairs columnist for political magazine. also with me msnbc justice and legal analyst anthony coley. he served as the director of the justice department's office of public affairs and senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. it renato, prosecutors in the new york criminal trial, have they shown that this case is about election interference and not just trump covering up an affair? >> there is still question that that is the theme they are sounding. they made that in their opening statement, they are trying to make that case throughout this trial. and in fact, that is what they need to show in order to make this a felony charge, as opposed to a misdemeanor. so i think we are going to see more evidence along those lines, and more argument along those lines for weeks to come. the bottom line is that they are trying to show a concerted effort to influence the election, and in fact, what we heard from the first

thank you let's speak to former federal prosecutor renato mariotti, who's in new york. very much forr another. it appears that we're on track for opening statements on monday. track for opening statements on monda . . track for opening statements on monda . , , . , ., monday. opening statements, what does that mean? _ monday. opening statements, what does that mean? what _ monday. opening statements, what does that mean? what do _ monday. opening statements, what does that mean? what do we - monday. opening statements, what i does that mean? what do we expect? sure. they are where both sides describe what they believe the evidence shows. it's eventually a way for both of the sides, prosecution and defence, to set forth the issue in front of the jury, to make sure thejury is prepared for all the evidence they're going to receive and put into context. to a juror, a lot of the witnesses that they hear from and evidence will seem overwhelming, and evidence will seem overwhelming, and this will allow them to put some context on it. the and this will allow them to put some context on it— c

. >> jury selection is largely luck >> it depends who you get >> well, now i want to bring in renato mariotti, a former federal prosecutor and host of the it's complicated pod gas, also with us now, mark is childress, former january 6 committee investigative counsel. gentlemen, i'm glad you're both here. >> okay. he's calling a little bit of luck. i mean, luck be a lady, lady justice, i guess they should say it's more than just luck though. it's also about strategy at a number of other factors were not allowed to begin with you here, here's how judge juan merchan responded to trump's request to throw out the trial based again, on publicity the way he cited trump's two former new york trials, saying, quote, he was personally responsible for generating much, if not most of the surrounding publicity with his public statements. so is there anything at this point now we're not oh, first while left for trump to try to do at this point to stop what's happening on monday >> well, i certainly wouldn't put anything past trump. he's very creative in terms of finding ways to delay a legal proceedings. bu