devlin barrett devlin. so good to see you. i have got to know how that moment was playing out in the courtroom. >> the inabilities actually have eyes and ears for the general audience is so frustrating because i want to know, was the jury leaning in? >> did they get the nuance that people have been talking about all over the airwaves. what was that moment like over this phone call it was very dramatic. >> so dramatic, you did not need dramatic podcast music to know it was dramatic. so at that moment todd blanche, the trump's lawyer has been very common and measured through most of this questioning. but at that moment, he's really just screaming at at michael cohen and he's state courts screaming, he's not federal courts screaming he state courts screaming. and i thought it was very effective. i think to an average person, it the idea that the defense laid out here that this was about harassing phone calls actually made a lot of sense. now, the prosecution will try. i'm sure when they get to question cohen again to repair that,

thank you so much for joining at devlin barrett. please stand standby as well because we are a week away from closing arguments in this trial. i mean, another week, i want to talk about now is cnn legal commentator and former trump attorney tim predatory, also for bella process it's a keeter, elise adamson is with us as well. okay. let's just get to this idea of instructions. i know this is the nerdy part. we're talking about the law. this is the most important part though, because first of all, the closing arguments, you want this primacy recency, right what the jury is going to hear it, they got a whole week alise before they hear that, and then come the instructions by the judge if you're prosecuting this case, what are you going to hang your hat on for these instructions well, i would definitely be fighting the defense on what they want included. >> i mean, again, their standard instructions, you're going to get the reasonable doubt in section you're going to get the credibility of the witness instructions. this is this is true

bring in a reporter who was in court today, law enforcement reporter for the washington post, devlin barrett. devlin i have been looking to you as my well, not the david pecker type, but my eyes and ears into the courtroom day in and day out in manhattan it was another dramatic de let me read for audience what happened after judge merchan cleared the courtroom. okay judge merchan told costello, i'm putting you on notice that your conduct is contemptuous. if you try to stare me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand. i will strike his entire testimony. do you understand me? >> fans turning beauvais replied, yes, judge. >> i understand. >> then the judge said, listen to the question and answer the question because l then chimed in can you hear me, please? >> the judge? no. no. >> this is not a conversation. now, frankly, this could also have been in my house, so i can to my children but peeled back the curtain for us because this point tells us so much what was the atmosphere like? >> so as telling us those words are and they are very telling. i got to say in the room, you could

horn federal prosecutor gene rossi is here and law enforcement reporter for the washington post, devlin barrett, who was in court today. i'll begin with you, devlin, because to land is 0.1. he talked about political motive, political motivation is being the most important aspect of this case, which of course speaks to what was the incentive behind paying off stormy daniel's. the other part was that michael cohen was in the words of the prosecution been a deflection focusing on him was trying to deflect away from the attention of what the underlying crimes where i want to know how this was reading in the courtroom. we weren't able to watch the presentation by either council. was it the utricle where they subdued? tell me about their mannerisms in delivering their closings. >> yeah. i wouldn't say any of it was subdued. i think todd blanche, the defense lawyer, got a little more heated and a little more emotional at times calling michael cohen as a liar, a perjure, and essentially saying he he's he's the one thing he's quicksand to a case you cannot build anything on it. >> the prosecutor was a l

he was actually in court today and devlin barrett, a law enforcement reporter with the washington post, and he too was in the courtroom. let's begin with what happened today. i got to know when you were inside that court devlin, what was the atmosphere leg was trump thinking, does his body not about the climate, not the temperature i got. what was it like? really hot in terms of him thinking, wait, this is hurting, this prosecution. >> it got state court hot. >> so once it's warmed up outside, so the court has is now war. the courtroom is now warm didn't love that personally, but there was also a lot of friction as you talked about between emil bove, the trump lawyer, and keith davidson. keith davidson? it's the beauty of cross-examination , right? on direct keith davidson being questioned by the prosecutor is very calm, very very cool, little funny on cross when trump's lawyers are asking him combative argumentative he and the aaa really went at each other a couple of times over this question of extortion obviously, the lawyers arguing i didn't extort but anybody have never extorted a

got lottery fluorescent reporter for the washington post, devlin barrett's here, cnn legal analyst, former deputies isn't attorney general feel instead of affairs, elliot williams, former federal prosecutors elise admins, adamson, and also gene rossi is here as well it's interesting to think about all of this. and by the way, gene represented keith davidson at one point as well. >> let me ask you about this because at debbie's point of the way he answered questions, they really want to attack michael cohen's credibility. they want to suggest that as my friend joe joey jackson said, it's about rap we know revenge. it's about trying to antagonize, about trying to figure with the p waves. but you know what it was a good answer. he said, oh point of this is that he was trying to suggest that the entirety of the defense has to be don't believe this guy. he only wants to see trump go down. >> but the prosecution, they got a freeze it in time and say that's how he feels now the question is whether he falsified documents then well, here's here's how i would approach cross-examination. >> i'll get

former trump attorney tim parlatore, also here bringing in the non-legal section of the bench devlin barrett, a law enforcement reporter for the washington post, glad to have you all here and before the world things i was throwing shade about a sentencing day, 711 really is laura coates birthday i accept gifts and chocolate. >> devlin me, go to you first hear devlin. >> you were there in the courtroom. this was an extraordinary good moment. we were all waiting with bated breath for weeks now to see what might happen, what this jury of 12 would decide take us inside the courtroom. the moment when donald trump, a former president, is hearing the guilty verdict, 34 counts being read. what was going on? >> so i just want to step back a minute because it was a really wild sequence of events and it started with the judge coming out because it was the end of the day, trial normally goes to put stops for the day at around 430. and just before that, the judge came out and basically said we're going to tell them to go home soon. you can start packing up and we'll all be here tomorrow morning. and if y

devlin barrett is here. with me at the table, former u.s.t attorney general harry litman's here. and the host of the on brand podcast donny deutsch is here. i want to dive back into the testimony but i have to start with jail. trump, who didn't go to a memorial for united states veterans of world war i i think and ii in france because it was raining and his hair would get messed up, for a million reasons, petty, shallow and primal, trump does not want to go to jail. >> yeah. despite his references to nelson mandela we will not see him doing a 24-hour necklaceon nelson mandela. i remember interviewing the wolf of wall street and he told me what it's literally going through the process, what it's like and what they examine and how they do things. donald trump -- and we were talking off camera, and you brought up the point in the last segment that he won't eat food when he goes on foreign territory. you have to use the bathroom. his hair. his makeup. >> his skin. >> like he will be pulled apart. he doesn't have the mettle to do it. so anybody t