mitch daniels joins us now. sir, good morning to you. former university president purdue university in indiana, former indiana governor and we are privileged that you chose to join us this morning. we have been looking forward to trying to get the perspective of university presidents and you are perfect for the job. can you help us understand what's happening on america's campuses now? >> well, i think we all understand what's happening and we also have come to understand in any case a minority of students and many of those participating aren't students at all. all that needs to be born in mind. i choose to take a half full view honestly, that we're seeing in contrast to some previous episodes like this, some resoluteness on the part of people holding both my last two jobs, both universities and their surrounding public jurisdictions. my view is that follow through is everything but some expulsions that have been announced in many places would be very therapeutic and helpful. i think we're seeing a pendulum moving in a healthy direction.

we're joined by former president of purdue university and former governor of indiana, mitch daniels.

paul: joining me now is former indiana governor and former president of purdue university, mitch danieliths. great to see you, mitch. thanks for joining us. so when you were president of purdue, did you ever have an episode like this where you had to deal with unrest on campus? >> we did. not many, and they were much smaller scale than what occurred elsewhere. but i in 2020 we had a version of it. and, you know, we applied our resolute refree speech policy, let people say what they wanted virtually anywhere they wanted. they the understood the rule, however, which was they couldn't trespass, you couldn't violate the rights of others. finish happily, we didn't have to expel anybody although we were prepared to. and we didn't, as they say, negotiate with anybody. i remember having a conversation with delegation from the student group, they said one of their so-called demands was nonnegotiable. i told them, well, you see, there aren't going to be any negotiations, we do have something in common. [laughter] paul: so what happens when students, a group of fact if all the city and students co

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