joining us andrew wheeler, former epa administrator, advisor to glen youngkin in virginia. , so as i understand it, i don't know, this is your turf, not mine, the biden epa wants 65 miles per gallon by 2031 which is completely unattainable? i think the trump, the trump mpg was under 40 or something like that, and now, it would end gasoline-powered cars, which no one voted on. straighten me out, an did i wheeler what is happening? i wish i could straighten you out. someone needs to straighten out the administration on all of this. they want all cars to be ivs by 2032. the secretary of transportation says we'll need 500,000 new charging stations by end of this decade, six years away from now. they got seven 1/2 billion dollars two years ago and they have only built eight new charging stations in two years. larry: right. >> what they're doing, is they are throwing roadblocks on their own ev highway, making it harder to get the electricity for the cars. they made it harder to permit new mines to get the critical minerals for the ev batteries. they made it harder to permit new na