and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪) >>> we are back with george packer.was the speaker of the house but after the 2020 election, trump and giuliana called him while he was driving home from church and said, we want you to look into this law that we found that says there is some question about the vote then we can get new electors. he understood, immediately that they were asking him to do something illegal. as he said to me, i felt my conscience rising up into my mouth with the words don't do it. tell them you won't do it. i just do all the politicians and the last two years, who have had a similar moment. and buried the words. rusty bowers set i will not do anything illegal. that was the end of his career but it two years but the arizona republican party destroyed his future. and he is a wonderful man of principle. you look at him and you think, he has been carved out of the contagious rock. >> he is like a western. they tormented him. they drove a truck outside his house describing him -- >> while his daughter was dying, they were video panel trucks wit

. >> always happy to talk to you >> fantastic, george packer is our gas but we want to thank all of you for letting us in your homes during these x-ray times. ari melber and "the beat." start now . this was too good. >> i love packer. i'm glad you had him on. thank you, nicolle. welcome to "the beat." in ari melber. donald trump await sentencing. he did his mandated interview with the probation officer today part of his life as a convicted felon. these meetings are a staple in the legal world. the procedure can impact potential jail sentencing. it is widely known in legal and pop-culture. >> i probation officer is a joke. his name is david crockett. >> oh my gosh. >> you want to throw something at me? are you not on parole? >> plus i still get money, yes, eyeball. >> we are parole officer and i just want to help her >> parties was to help me? >> and if my p.o. ask -- >> settle down, i know that you might not be able to relate to me but i think i know somebody who you can relate to. little haul me. >> what up? >> don't trouble nobody. good rule of thumb. probation is part of the system.

as climate records continue to shatter, i speak to professor leah stokes, and writer george packer, who

joining us now, staff writer at "the atlantic" george packer.r of the magazine's new cover story entitled "the valley." in it, george, you write this, "phoenix makes you keenly aware of human artifice, its ingenuity and agility. the american lust for new things and new ideas, good and bad ones, is most palpable here in the west, but that dynamo that generates all the microchip factories and battery plants and downtown high-rises and master plan suburbs runs so high that it suggests its own oblivion. new yorkers and chicagoans don't wonder how long their cities will go on existing, but in phoenix in august, when the heat had broken 110 degrees for a month straight, the desert golf courses and urban freeways give this civilization an air of impermanence, like a mirage composed of sheer hubris, and a surprising number of inhabitants began to brood on its disappearance. democracy is also a fragile artifice. it depends less on tradition and law than on the shifting contents of individual skulls -- belief, virtue, restraint. its durability under natur