you see during jim crow, during jim crow, the black family was together.were not just conservative. black people have always been conservative minded but black people voted conservatively. it's that during jim crow, the black family was together. that's what people have taken issue with. what are they missing? >> frankly, what's really happened is that you have, you know, democrats and you have the biden campaign and some in the media want to twist my words for political purposes. the overarching issue is talking just about black families and why you're seeing a trend of black people leaning towards republicans in this election cycle and probably in electional cycles to come. part of that is when you're raising families, raising kids, et cetera, you're thinking of all the public policy issues, all of the economic issues, and it's leading people to have divergence in political thoughts. that was the only point. the stuff that comes up about jim crow and twisting my words saying i was being nostalgic or jim crow was good for black people, that's all politica

i did say jim crow. i did reference it three times. >> four times. >> that's not to say it was better. i never said those words never came out of my mouth. when are you going to get that through your skull and everybody else's skull? i never said that. and the difference between me and other republican, i'm not going to sit here -- >> you said it was better for us under jim crow to bring families together, did you say that? everybody's lying. okay. >> go look at my words. >> well, all right. >> did i say jim crow was better, no, i did not. i did not say jim crow was better. i never said any of those things. i was talking about black families and black family marriage rates during that time. >> okay. then what did jim crow do to contribute to black families? hello? >> i'm not talking -- oh my gosh -- >> you said that you said under jim crow black families, so explain to me what jim crow did to help black families. >> the marriage rates during the jim crow era were higher for black families because of the

the other thing is, jim crow was an explicit race law you can't divorce race from jim crow. that's what it was. but david, the new york times just published a lengthy profile on north dakota governor, donald berger, who is not well-known nationally but emerges as a possible option for donald trump. also appreciates his full head of hair for the people who are less familiar with him what would governor bergen bring to the ticket? >> i actually think it is down between bergen and rubio. who knows? those are my parlor bats. and here is why bergen. nobody knows who he is. they will probably never learn who he is and would make it all the way through november without bergen taken a bit of the spotlight from donald trump. that is very important that nobody cares about the vice president. secondly, he is very wealthy so he can write a check and contribute. and three, i think he and trump really share some type of business profile that they get to admire each other by being on the same ticket. he is your anonymous pick that would fit nicely and not attract a lot of scrutiny unless h

i think he wishes he could take it back because it was stupid to reference jim crow, part of what hen america, that's a legitimate interesting discussion but he didn't do that and he threw in jim crow and it just messed up and made everything he said wrong. ayman, bishop meant what he said and in essence, what did bishop say? he said donald trump is being treated every bit as poorly as black americans when black americans were discriminated against, segregated against, lynched and killed and institutional racism and our justice system. he meant it, bishop meant it, and that is atrocious to compared donald trump to that. >> very valid points there, joe, on the meaning of both, let me play for you donalds was on with joy reed, let me play for both of you what he said, listen. >> if a black man, a black father could not protect his wife, his son, or himself from lynching and violence, how is him being in the home team that that is an era that was better for the black family or that we should think of is a good thing. >> first of all joy, i never said it was better for black people in ji

he is the one that invoked jim crow. to joe's point.ehavior at the time, whatever it is about society or black families are black communities back then. he decided to invoked jim crow as the reference point. when you talk about the economy and issues you can say in the 20s and 30s but he decided to use jim crow as the conceptual framework for the point he was trying to make. >> he was trying to put it in the framework. i get you may believe donalds was misspeaking when he said jim crow. i take issue with the broader points he was making as well. the idea that it was specifically johnson and welfare movements to try to help people. part of the reason why there was so much backlash against those programs was because even though they help white people a lot there was a movement amongst the right to try to cut funds to welfare programs by convincing white people it only helped black americans. there are so many socioeconomical things happening at the same time, divorce rates went up across the board, you have issues dealing with -- even uni

okay, that's uncalled for. >>> during jim crow could your family have existed?nterracial marriage. your wife is a conservative activist. could your family have existed at all during jim crow? >> no, it could not, joy. and we all know that, but that's why i am blessed to live in america today as opposed to america during that time. but we cannot ignore the realities of not having fathers in homes. that is important for black people today and all people today as we move forward for a better america. >> joining me now by phone is my friend joy reid, host, of course, of "the reid out" who just interviewed republican congressman byron donalds, the man who suggested jim crow was somehow a time of nostalgia. speaking nostalgically about a segregationist era. >> thank you for having me. we invited him on because he's so odd to say the least. a source of mine knowledge about the event knows the people who were in that room who were black were already supportive of donald trump, so it wasn't one that really attracted a new audience. what really got me about what byron don

>> other, the black family and jim crow specifically, i mean, jim crow, as you know, was a period of racial segregation of racial terror. why would you make that connection? >> all i was doing was referring to the time periods when you talk about the history, the historical timelines in america, and coinciding with black families and what their marriage way in black families are the overarching point is obviously talking about what polling shows today, that about 20 he, 25% of the black vote, depending on what paul, you're looking at, is leaning towards supporting republicans and supporting president trump the corollary to that is, is that when you're in a family unit, husband and wife live in together working together, thriving together. you're raising your kids, your thought process is now talking about building generational wealth what am i leaving to my children? what kind of communities where i want my children to come up in? what are the educational opportunities? what's going on with the economy? how does an m to a broader level hollows foreign policy and all these other publi

before that era was the jim crow era.ing i would say is that the scrutiny really came from the biden campaign and from democrats. you know, i'm 45 years old. black man in america. i know the history of jim crow quite well. i would never say that jim crow was better for black people. >> byron: for all his support for the former president, his belief in the republican party, he acknowledges his party historically did not prioritize black voter reachout. the reality of america today still is the vast majority of black voters are not conservative republicans. >> i think the reason why that has been the case historically is because there's not been a lot of comfort with black people in the republican party. for the last several decades, just hasn't gone to try to get black voters and court black voters and build relationships with black voters. president trump has changed that view. >> byron: but has donald trump changed the gop enough to sway more black men to vote for them? a demographic perhaps less devoted to a party, but

there jim crow, the black families had no rights.ility to protect his wife or his children from lynching. they did not have the ability to earn a living that could support that family. typically, the mom in that family never saw her kids all week because she was working in a white woman's home while the father was working the fields. he worked the seasonal picking time. these families were broken, poor, and facing violence. the idea that was somehow better because they were living in the same house is insane. >> well, joy, listen, we need to continue the conversation. there is a lot to unpack. joy reid, host of the reid out. thank you very

and as when made my case with they called jim crow conviction, they're called jim crow jury laws. they allow injury that is not unanimous to convict someone of the crime the effect of me. and you still have individuals in prison right now. disappeared affected by the jim crow long the day you want me to tell them that they need to hear that a lot of gas and down there and down just on my way is be from the fat face the the good. now for the 25 years or 2, it shows right the way to a more but i feel comfortable more around people out here. they've been in prison. i just reached out to show you what they've been home 2 or 3 months before me. the already doing the branding the 25 years i'd be watching. give you people understand that we've been through, you know, the yeah. the behind a lot of people are allowed to do. so i'm going to move to these 2 to us. the every prison in the state of louisiana all built honestly, plantations, and they drive you like slaves. they got they hosses, they got a full well they got, they got they watching over you telling you to get back to work. you h

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during jim crow the black family was together.re black people were not just conservative minded, but more black people voted conservatively. >> bill: trump v.p. contender is with me now. good morning to you. quite a dust up. i know you disagree with what joy reed was saying on msnbc. what were you trying to say there? >> first of all, what we're talking about in philadelphia a couple days ago was the importance of black families and a united black families, growing black families in the united states. that's very important. lyndon johnson's policies, the great society and other issues led to a massive decline in the marriage rate in black america. that is an empirical fact. the problem the democrats want to create. creation on their part. because i said jim crow they think i'm talking about some golden era. what is important here in this entire phony controversy is that joe biden, his campaign, democrat leadership and terrible press want to make an issue. they want to gas light black people in the country and make black people thi

trying to sanna size or romanticize or whitewashed jim crow.ore palatable for people who -- not black people but everybody else. and i do not respect people. especially people who know better. we talked about marco rubio and tim scott, the senators, a couple weeks ago, but what they've been saying about the criminal justice system and so on and so forth. as a black elected official, especially a black man as reverend sharpton said from brooklyn, who knows better, he has a responsibility to speak the truth. and as they like to say, -- >> i think that face says it all. >> coming up on velshi, ali will be talking about donald trump's starts of her division and the potential of the dangers of the second trump term. that is coming up. we will be right back! (bell ringing) someone needs to customize and save hundreds with liberty mutual! (inaudible sounds) (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all d

because of jim crow laws. so here we are now someone seeking to be a vp nominee, trying to capture national headlines, tap dancing, so to speak, just so it can be considered, do you think i mean, obviously, he would disagree and suggests that this is exactly why democrats i'm not putting words into his mouth, just hearing his interviews in the past. this is what democrats do. they're trying to gaslight black voters. he has believed into believing that there's only one path to being a righteous member of the electorate through democratic party. what do you say to that? let's say, if you want to be the elected officials stand on actual policies advanced concepts that will make america a better country across all racial lines don't try to use your racial identity to feed into a false narrative about who we are, what we should do and where we should be that's what, he's doing. >> he's fit into a false narrative here's our history is clear that african americans, we are not a monolith, but we vote together. we vote

under jim crow the family was together and on and on.es took exception to the communities. here's his response on the house floor. >> mr. speaker it has come to my attention a so-called leader made the factually inaccurate statement that black folks were better off during jim crow. that's an outlandish and outrageous and out of pocket observation. we would not better off when a young boy named emmett till could be brutally murdered without consequence because of jim crow. we were not better off when black women could be sexually assaulted without consequence because of jim crow. we would not better off when people could be systematically lynched without consequence. how dare you make such an ignorant observation? you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. >> you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. think they call that a mic drop moment. joining me at the table to talk about it all, democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. who's been dropping few mics of her own. >> listen, there's a clear reason why i pr

representative donaldson was trying to romanticize jim crow. my grandparents lived in jim crow.ols. my dad integrated schools, and i can tell you, it was fothem. and that's why if we can't get justice for the tulsa race massacre, which is the largest act of domestic terrorism in the history of this country, over $200 million in property damage, over 3000 people disappeared and never heard from again, you had so many homes and businesses, over 1500 destroyed, and two survivors who experience this as little girls, if they cannot get justice -- of the federal government cannot use its influence and power to ensure justice, i am very fearful for our future as a country. i think this is a great issue for president biden and vice president harris to make this an issue. as you said, president biden came to tulsa. he promised my clients he would help them get justice. this is an opportunity for the vice president and the department of justice to step in and make sure they get justice and show that the white house cares about this issue, it is all a black america cares about justice. >>

the poverty rate in jim crow was more than 55%.ng to black people. though this was at a black voter event. this messaging is not for us. none of us actually believe. we can talk to our grandparents who grew up in jim crow. we could talk to our parents. my dad was born in apartheid mississippi. the lynching in the country. we can know that times were not better for black people under jim crow. i'm going to assume this is sheer cynicism. i can't believe he could live in a state like florida and believe times were better for us. and i promise you, he would not want to go back and live under a jim crow. >> you know, what is so incensing, there is so much about it, dahlia. but the way in which the right wing tries to co-op the civil rights era as its own, where they are not criticizing the actual policy legislation, they are wrapping themselves in the cloak of mlk or trump called himself the nelson mandela of our time because of his criminal prosecutions. and dan bishop this week is talking about how donald trump was treated the way bla

during jim crow, could you family have existed? you are in an interracial marriage.family have existed at all during jim crow? >> no, it could not, joy. we all know that. that's why i'm pleased to live in america today as opposed to america in that time. but we cannot ignore the realities of not having fathers in homes. that is important to our black people today and all people today as we move forward for a better america. >> we are out of time. what i'm grateful for is we do not live in the jim crow era and that fathers do not face lynching. >> i'm very grateful of that. >> perhaps don't bring up jim crow when you're trying to make that example. >> that was a small part of my interview with byron donalds last night. we'll be dissecting that with our friday political panel. basil smikle, our brand-new msnbc political analyst, the public policy director at the roosevelt house institute of hunter college, and democratic strategist and clay cane, host of the clay cane show and author of, the grift, the downward spiral of black republicans from the party of lincoln to t

jim crow. they were inspired by jim crow laws. that's correct. and i'm wondering to what extent judge waring was aware of that. did what was happening in europe influence him at all? he you know, the answer is he did know about the he did know about the nazis and the death camps and actually, when he retired, he became a active member of the board of the conference of christians and -- in new york. he was also on the board of the aclu, which is kind of interesting. so he was he was aware that that there had an had fought for liberty and had fought for for the police and the whole sort of nazi regime. and, yes, i think it influenced him and in his own views on race and justice. can you all please join me in thinking, judge gergel, for a wonderful presentation presentation. so. so if you haven't done it already, i suggest you go right out and order book on amazon. it is a it is an easy read. it is fascinating. publisher would like that but and that's just in return for the favor did earlier by the very very nice compliment you paid to the historica

. >>> during jim crow the black family were together.vatively. and johnson and you go down that road and we are who we are. >> reporter: republican senator of florida made those statements. lamenting the landmark programs enacted in the 60s to help low income americans. if people can't see you shaking your head right now. maybe they can now. nicole. you know people have accused your seminole text of being some sort of rewriting of history but i wonder what you make of the conservatives who have been lobbying on those. >> i don't nope if byron saying that out of ignorance or cynicism. what we know is his own marriage was not legal in the state he lives in until 1969. we know that as he's talking about black voters were mostly conservative, the very first civil rights martyr were voting civil rights activists. >> byron is from florida. >> he's from florida, right. and if you look at the black poverty rate during jim crow was more than 55%. when they say those things they're clearly not talking to black people. even though this was at a bla

my brother was convicted of it to jim crow. jerry, i feel like i was the reason i'm gonna do what i can do. i'm gonna do is the i'm a fight for it. ok. it keeps me crowd. it keeps me hopeful. say organizing this trip to go to new orleans, but it's in too. oh awesome. then all of us have gone on formerly across the really she was just going so i'll support the support already declared. the gym pro jerry was unconstitutional. what's his face now? is whether that should be retroactive, or is it people still in prison? by a non unanimous verdict must space a new trial. we are here today to move out of the court to let them know that the welding the marble will be in the phase of freedom. freedom and so on. the way all we have to do is hold the what do you hope happens tomorrow? i'm hoping to adjust the news or if that's an unconstitutional loan. why can't you overturn? let's make it right, correct. the grid, the you all you go rogers, the may i please the court. in this state, we believe that people are innocent until proven guilty

and they do so based on louisiana's last jim crow law. and we can fix that here. we're waiting on the today, louisiana supreme court heard spaby rad nearly a 100 years after the 1890 a constitutional convention for the purpose of insuring the supremacy of the white race in louisiana. and hopefully today were able to write that wrong. feel like this is a case opportunity to to really kill louisiana, the point of finding a views and for some of the things, you know, you only want to be a normal as why, you know, i shut down with their domain and i listen. i just look at data is strange, but i went to what we got today. we got some old changes in their own mind. now we don't have the tables, macaroni and cheese debris. that's a labs. thoughts to, to 0 is better than being over the the way i look at it. now. i get up and go to use my mom, make our coffee here for us. that just mean that going to win the being able to a fight against the system that was already to stay to guess that means to were to meet i'm hoping that the fight it out to own makes a difference. that'

if you look the jim crow south, what you see is that you have one a sub society, right. of a population. we're not seeing know these european empires coming over you know and ants you know imposing themselves on indigenous populations that that live in these new places. it's happening within the state within society itself. so we have a subset i.t grou right. and what happens and perhaps it'll help you understand, you know, if we, if we talk about jim crow as internal colonization a little better, right. what you see is, you know, with reconstruction as we as we discussed. right. there's there's widespread violence, there's widespread intimidation of black voters across states of black of of black freedom more generally and eventually. right. that widespread violence is going to start restricting their ability to hold office, their ability to vote. and once you have a white majority or at least enough of a white majority, those will all start getting codified. call those the jim crow laws. it's disenfranchize segment taking the vote away from people. it is segregation, r

, before they were influenced by democratic policies. >> during jim crow, the black family was togetherore black people voted conservatively. >> ronny: why are all of trump's potential veep picks insane? i never thought i'd say this, but this might be time to take a second look at the dog murderer. and i know you're thinking, "how could a congressman think the jim crow era was good for black families?" but to be fair, he's a congressman from florida, and that's literally the title of their u.s. history textbooks. let's move on to some cultural news, because it's not just congressmen who have crazy opinions. it's also everyone. >> and now to a grocery cart controversy gaining a lot of traction online. a video posted by a woman who unapologetically said she never returns her shopping cart. >> i'm not returning my shopping cart. and you can judge me all you want. >> california mom leslie dobson says she's afraid her children will be abducted while she's busy returning her cart. >> i'm not getting my groceries into my car, getting my children into the car, and then leaving them in the car t

but jim crow politics becomes like the game in town. so everybody is falling over themselves to say, well i'm going to segregate. i'm going to it so that black people and, white people can't play checkers. and if i if you vote for me, i will segregate the books. i learned this in your class. there were even some schools required that the books that children learn had to disagree. and so that was like the central organizing principle in society for six decades. and it dominated politics. we'll say this, though what was the case. that first announced separate but equal? it wasn't a southern case, boston. it was. but roberts. yes yes. boston and the 18 states? yes law professor start. yes. okay. let me i teach that case. let me just say. charles sumner and robert morris, a black lawyer, and charles sumner fought, that case, they lost. but within five years, they succeeded getting the legislature in in the state legislature to repeal it. so anyway, let's move forward and move forward law. laudner. so yes, 7 to 1 decision, a single dissent,

you named jim crow. there's only one way you can deal with jim crow, that is by race.l friends. people say you are a straight shooter. we may disagree on politics. i am giving you the benefit of the doubt. but look, you were born in brooklyn, you went down to the south, went to florida state, have an interracial marriage, you are congressman of a district is not a black district. how can you even live with yourself acting like jim crow was a better era for blacks? >> that is real cute. i did not say that. right now, you are lying about what i said. >> i did say jim crow -- i did referencing three times. that is not to say it was better. i never said that. those words never came out of my mouth. when will you get that through your skull? i never said that -- >> you said it was better for us under jim crow -- [indiscernible] >> everybody is lying. look at my words. host: star parker, what is your reaction to what congressman donald had to say and that inguest: well, if he had gottena wordn al sharpton went on and o. the narrative we have heard all of our lives. here we h

during jim crowe, more black people were not just conservative.t more voted conservative. then lyndon johnson, we go down the room and we are where we are. >> it's per verse, talking about the jim crowe era like a better time, trump cyr gatt, contender for the vice presidential nomination after mike pence walked away, set ner, no how, no, thank you. he's seeming to pine for a tine. asked whether or not he regretted saying those things, he insisted he never insinuated anything like nostalgia for the jim crowe era, we a saw what he said. under black crow, the family was together, and on and so. how minority leaders hakeem jeffries took exception to the comments. >> the speaker has come to my attention that a so-called leader has made the factually knack rate statement that black folks were better off during jim crowe. that's an outlandish, out-of-pocket observation. we were not better out of. when a young boy named emmett till would be murdered, when black women could be sexually assaulted without consequence because of jim crowe. we were not better

but i i thought it was important for people to jim crow segregation, that he wasti not a benign thingody was happy to go alongerlying it wase threat and use of violence where necessary. and isaac woodard that dave was viewed as a threat to a social order. black veterans were viewed as a threat, who came back and they wanted, they wanted and a br deal than they have had before.v so i got to say that ihitant th. and the george t floyd episode brought may be a younger generation knowledge of some of this o history, but you know police violence has been an issue many years before 2020. >> how did sergeant woodard l >> well, you know, when these events arose, isaac woodard became a very well-known figure. he gave talks around the country. there was a benefit concert in new york, which 23,000 people attended, count basie, , cab galloway, others performed. joe louis was a chairman of the connecticut he was a reigning heavyweight shaping of the will. the was interesting them i found naacp payee papers. a staff member wrote while the right and said, you know, in ten years will remember his nam

, you know, as no reflect the actualities.does oftentimes matthew guariglia when it comes to the jim crowance information gathering that was over the top, in your view? historical constant in american has the the. state surveillance of african americans in the city. i know, pre abolition, if you go to like lantern laws, which the the great simon brown hasçi really kind of brought into scholarly consciousness in, which people of african descent will require with them when they walk through cities. so any time you could see where they were i mean, this is, you know some of the earliest type of surveillance policy there was. and this continues up slave act, in which even very small black communities in cities like new york or boston, where slavery had already been abolished, suddenly police had a justification for surveilling those communities very closely, because some■Ñ■l f those black urbanites might have escaped. people who were had been enslaved in the south. so there have beense ways in whe state and policies justified over surveillance of particularly black neighborhoods and specifica

here's the relevant portion of the remarks, which he shared on social media. >> during jim crow, the jim crow, more black people were not just conservative, but more black people voted conservatively, and then lyndon johnson, you go down the road and we are where we are. hakeem jeffries quickly pounced on the remarks, delivers a scathing -- >> it's come to my attention that a so-called leader has made a factually inaccurate statement that black folks were better off during jim crow. that's an outlandish, outrageous and out-of-pocket observation. >> i never said that. they are lying. >>> let's go to donna edwards, ar senior correspondent for "the hill" amy barnes. donna, your comments. >> the video that byron donald himself says very clearly what he said. we're not making it up and analyzing that the. the reality is that over 4,000 limplgings occurred in the jim crow thougho south, thousands of families' homes burned, moved out of their communities, deprived of their civil. the ideas that the hiss, fathers, brothers, sons who were lynched, mostly men, were better off is factually and

those events like those constituents who are gathered their they also are what to return to that jim crow time. that's the place that they want a return. that's what they're talking about, what they say make america great again. and that was also or not those people michael harriet. thank you for having us understand this outreach to black and latino voters. thanks so much for being with us. $130 billion. that's a lot of money according to the fearless fund. that's venture capital funding raised by us companies in 2018 the firm says that when they found out that only 2% of that financing with the companies founded by women. and less than 1% went to company started by women of color. it became their mission to close that gap with a grant program for black women entrepreneurs but their work is now on hold after a new federal well appeals court ruling fearless fund was soon on behalf of a group called the american alliance for equal rights. and they argue the program violates the law. and they say programs that excludes certain individuals because of their race, such as the ones that feel th

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congressman jim crow.he jim crow era. >> yeah, i've watched several interviews wolf with the congress and i'm going to take him at his word that his intent was not to romanticize the jim crow era. this is a black man i'm really going to presume that he's very aware of our history. and in this country, i hope that isn't but, but i do think the point that there are some areas within our community that we as a collective group have to focus more on. i wouldn't disagree with with that should we do some things? a strengthened a family? absolutely. can you do that through the policy realm? i think so, but i do think as you talk about the past, you do have to be careful not to have the appearance that you're romanticized and something that was very horrible for the black community. i have grandparents that are still alive who went through segregation. my grandmother was the first to enter into her high school in new orleans and first-time desegregating the school. and so i think there are people that are still am

during jim crow, people's rights were taken away from them.crow, black families were terrorized across the south. byron donalds, i don't know what vision -- what version of america he is living but it is not a version many of our parents and grandparents would recognize. >> i want to give a shout out to my colleagues who did a masterful job interviewing him and pointing out all those things. my sound off panel is going to stay with us. don't go anywhere. we are going to discuss rudy giuliani's crazy comment about fani willis. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce, it's the sheet. [introspective music] recipes. recipes that are more than their ingredients. ♪ [smoke alarm] recipes written by hand and lost to time... can now be analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. preserving memories and helping to write new ones. ♪ (man) every time i needed a new phone, ai had to switch carriers...s. (roommate) i told him...at verizon, everyone can get that iphone 15 on them. (man) now that i got a huge storage and battery

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