that's right. >> i'm joined by lisa nandy , a >> i'm joined by lisa nandy, a shadow cabinet minister.ou for joining shadow cabinet minister. lisa, thank you forjoining us here thank you for joining us here @gbnews. the reaction is in now to your manifesto. do you worry, though, that you've tied yourselves in so many straitjacket of fiscal discipline that if the economy doesn't grow, you can't find any growth? you're in trouble as a as a party and your plans are in jeopardy if you win power. >> no, not at all. because growth runs through the document through its 128 pages. like a silver thread, you can see it on every page and in every policy. but i make no apology for the fact that we're being careful. it's people's money. they haven't got a lot of it after 14 years of tory government, so everything in it is carefully costed, fully funded . we know costed, fully funded. we know that we can deliver it and at a time when trust in politics and politicians is at an all time low, that is probably the single biggest thing that we could have gifted to the country right now. it's change, but

with me now is lisa nandy the labour frontbencher. lisa, thanks for joining us on gb news tonight.u here. the big question at the beginning was would keir starmer defend this country with a nuclear deterrent? and angela rayner couldn't quite answer the question initially. will he keep the country safe. >> well i think she did answer the question actually. i think she couldn't have been clearer that she has a brother who served in iraq and this matters to her. it's personal to her. and i think you could see the reaction on the faces of the audience when she said so. i think what we saw from penny mordaunt tonight was nothing short of disgraceful. it's clear that the conservatives are getting more and more desperate, and they're again throwing out lies about labour's tax commitments, attacking angela rayner for commitments that we've already made, that she supports about renewing the nuclear deterrent, for example, which is very much a part of our party policy and will be in our manifesto. the really striking thing for me was that in amongst all of that, penny mordaunt trashed rishi

lisa nandy, thanks for coming along. - stake for the country. lisa nandy, thanks for coming along. , about the last debate we had between keir starmerand rishi sunak, it about the last debate we had between keir starmer and rishi sunak, it was obvious that rishi sunak wanted to hammer home that message about labour pots spending patterns. that's something to watch out for, the party's returning to, what is the party's returning to, what is the key theme each party wants to push, the key messages? they know they'll have limited time so they know they need to get things out over and over again, even if there is a slight diversion. we over and over again, even if there is a slight diversion.— is a slight diversion. we will fix our mic is a slight diversion. we will fix your mic because _ is a slight diversion. we will fix your mic because it _ is a slight diversion. we will fix your mic because it is - is a slight diversion. we will fix your mic because it is a - is a slight diversion. we will fix. your mic because it is a problem with your mike. let's go outside and speak to nicky sch

and the shadow minister for international development lisa nandy. others abstained.. the threat is rising toward the end of the decade, but i would suggest, as others have, that towards the end of the decade we should be spending 3% of gdp. however, to get there, you have to follow a progressive line. you can'tjust do of dollars or pounds to a you can'tjust dollop millions of dollars or pounds to a department, whatever�*s spending. you can't build a frigate in a year. to stand next to m military veterans, but the numbers it's all about the numbers. why do labour not commit to it the conservatives to two... br; commit to it the conservatives to two... r, ::;~, 1: commit to it the conservatives to two... �*, ::;~,:: ., commit to it the conservatives to two... j ::;~,::'~ ., . ., . two... by 2030? today's announcement was all about _ two... by 2030? today's announcement was all about positioning, _ two... by 2030? today's announcement was all about positioning, new - was all about positioning, new triple — was all about positioning, new triple lock— was all about positi

and that's lisa nandy . and that's lisa nandy. >> yeah. she's a very effective politician actually.the trouble is with thatis sunak. but the trouble is with that is that backfires because many people are quite rightly saying it's the bland leading the bland and by comparison , you the bland and by comparison, you know, the colour is provided by nigel farage and reform . and nigel farage and reform. and that's problematic for two party leaders who let's be honest, aren't the most charismatic men in the world. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> okay, camilla, thank you very much indeed, just want to bring you some breaking news. we've just heard from the deputy mayor, of simi , who says the mayor, of simi, who says the body of the tv doctor, michael mosley has been found in that cave network that we're talking about. known as the abyss. this is coming on reuters this morning . but that deputy mayor morning. but that deputy mayor says that a body found in a cave on the island of simi is that of the tv doctor , michael mosley . the tv doctor, michael mosley. >> so th

labour, labour's lisa nandy expert pollsters and much, much more.dn't have to watch it if you didn't have to watch it if you didn't want to, because we've watched it for you. why would you be anywhere else for the fallout ? all the action is now fallout? all the action is now in the spin room next door to the debate venue, so let's get there with gb news political editor christopher hope chopper. good evening . good evening. >> hello, bev. yeah, good evening. from the spin room here. shortly after the end of this seven way leaders debate, and all the parties have sent out representatives to defend their, their their candidates who are speaking in that debate. with me now is david davis, the candidate in holloway prison, howard and david. that's right. good to see you here. thanks for joining us on gb news, it feels odd to watch it from outside not being in it. >> normally you're in it, but they've got the big guns out in they've got the big guns out in the spin room. you heard there from penny morden. she said that the pm was was completely wrong to

when he had blamed israel for the october seven attacks and again, a by—election coming up and lisa nandys right, that took two days. over _ he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the _ he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the course _ he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the course of - he had gone. that's right, that took two days, over the course of the i two days, over the course of the weekend. — two days, over the course of the weekend, to play through. it is right— weekend, to play through. it is right to — weekend, to play through. it is right to hold our election candidates to that kind of standard and l _ candidates to that kind of standard and i don't — candidates to that kind of standard and i don't think the fact that votersm _ and i don't think the fact that voters- - -_ and i don't think the fact that voters... . , . and i don't think the fact that voters... ., ,~ voters... some are very cross about it but others — voters... some are very cross about it but others are _ voters... some are very cross about it but others are saying,

bring back nick lisa nandy a few seconds left, but you don't stop working.lots in the pipeline, haven't you? >> you've got at the moment things are a bit quiet, but i've got. well, i've got this unstoppable coming up. unsinkable rather. coming up. >> i've also got a documentary, unsinkable, as an audio drama , unsinkable, as an audio drama, isn't it? yeah. john malkovich isn't it? yeah. john malkovich is in it. >> yeah, yeah. yes. it's, it's all about a ship that that they think was was sinking in the second world war and the in the atlantic convoy. and it's a true story, actually. and they thought it was going down so they all abandoned ship, disappeared into the mist and in the middle of the north atlantic . and then suddenly the next morning they saw this ship nearby. it hadn't gone down. oh my god, went back on board. and i'll tell you what it reminds me of gb news, which, let me tell you, is the topic of my take at ten. >> thank you to john altman. i'll see you in two. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of

so now the lisa nandy straight fetishes, i should add. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> no >> no, the, no, the sort of the trans community and the lesbian community are at loggerheads sometimes. so some lesbians were thrown off a pride march in cardiff because the trans community didn't feel, didn't you know, they were having an argument? >> that is a very good point insofar as, you know , the flag, insofar as, you know, the flag, actually, to a lot of gay people, symbolises homophobia now. so why are we even putting it up anyway? it is divided anyway , let's move on. we're anyway, let's move on. we're going on now to a question from sarah. this comes in from twitter. sarah says, shall we drop socrates from philosophy lessons? this is a this is so us, so us, who i believe you almost went to do a degree at the school of oriental and african studies in london. they're saying we shouldn't do socrates because he's a dead white male. shouldn't do well , white male. shouldn't do well, there is no written socrates, anyway, is there? >> but but no, there's writings about socrates.

you would have to ask keir starmer that i voted for lisa nandy, there we are. >> that's interesting.ng. >> we've got time for another one. >> yes we do. should we have a look at the front page of the telegraph and this is concerning. is that there's a strike action from nhs junior doctors. this weekend. five day walkout begins tomorrow morning, but it coincides with this heat wave that we're experiencing. and there's concern about these temperatures and impact of strike action on the elderly. >> strike , i think, is the most >> strike, i think, is the most shameful yet, because they know they're not going to get any extra money out of the government. that's just about almost certainly to lose an election. it's shameful political posturing. graham, i think i agree . think i agree. >> i mean, i grew up being told that professionals didn't take strike action. that was the definition of being a profession in many ways. so i don't think they should be striking anyway. doing it in an election week, i think, is a is a utterly appalling thing to do. and when there are warnings that people wi