rhun ap lorwerth.— rhun ap lorwerth. change is a keyword. _ rhun ap lorwerth.t of poverty? i believe that the real frustration in this election is the lack of change on offer from the labour party, whether you like them or not there was a feeling i was still working as a journalist in the 1990s when tony blair came in, at least there was a feeling of something different happening. i'm not sensing that which is why we in plaid cymru say the tories are gone, labour are going to come into power, but let's for goodness' sake make sure people who feel ignored, as you do, are heard by that labour party when they come in because change has to mean something and that's what's important. something and that's what's important-— something and that's what's im ortant. . ., ._ something and that's what's imortant. . ., ., , important. angela rayner, rhun ap iorwerth's charges _ important. angela rayner, rhun ap iorwerth's charges change - important. angela rayner, rhun ap iorwerth's charges change is - important. angela rayner, rhun ap iorwerth's charges change is not. iorw

rhun _ case... let's stick to your policies. rhun ap - case... let's stick to your. policies., let's stick to your policies. in that interview, jo stevens said clearly that the money for hs2, the train going through england, your whole manifesto is based on £4 billion coming to wales from that, she said very clearly the money is not there. rishi sunak said the money isn't there. ii i rishi sunak said the money isn't there. . ., rishi sunak said the money isn't there. . rishi sunak said the money isn't there. , there. ifi could correct you, she sa s there. ifi could correct you, she says hs? — there. ifi could correct you, she says h5? is _ there. ifi could correct you, she says h5? is not _ there. ifi could correct you, she says h52 is not there, _ there. ifi could correct you, she says h52 is not there, it - there. ifi could correct you, she says h52 is not there, it didn't i says hs2 is not there, it didn't exist. says h52 is not there, it didn't exist. ., , , �* , exist. the money isn't there, she said, and exist. the money isn't there, she said. and the _ exist. the money

rhun ap iorwerth. - for listening. rhun ap iorwerth. most peeple — for listening. rhun ap iorwerth.is a fundamental issue of trust here to me. you i instead. there is a fundamental- issue of trust here to me. you need to be _ issue of trust here to me. you need to be able _ issue of trust here to me. you need to be able to — issue of trust here to me. you need to be able to trust _ issue of trust here to me. you need to be able to trust that _ issue of trust here to me. you need to be able to trust that our- to be able to trust that our interests _ to be able to trust that our interests in _ to be able to trust that our interests in wales - to be able to trust that our interests in wales are - to be able to trust that ouri interests in wales are being to be able to trust that our- interests in wales are being served. keir starnrer— interests in wales are being served. keir starmer will— interests in wales are being served. keir starmer will become _ interests in wales are being served. keir starmer will become prime - keir starmer will become prime minister— keir starmer will become

rhun ap iorwerth, welcome, thank you forjoining us. my promise at the start of this interview and all the interviews i am doing with party leaders is that what you say is going to be broadcast in full. we want to give you the chance to make your pitch and we want you to speak about the issues that are important to viewers and listeners and i expect you to do your best to answer them. it is lovely to be here in your front room, nick. it does feel like that. it is a year since you were appointed and something many people have heard of is that you work with labour and the conservatives to bring down the first minister of wales. does that tell us which side you are on? we owe everything to the people of wales and everything we do is on behalf of the people of wales. it is not a matter of building alliances with other parties and on the issue you touched upon there, we had a scandal in wales like we have never had since the advent of devolution. we have managed to steer clear of that financial scandal but it is hugely problematic for the la

so rhun ap iorwerth saying that wales— so rhun ap iorwerth saying that wales lost out to the tune of even lord barnett himself— administrations, even lord barnett himself and i think the leader did say that— himself and i think the leader did say that in his speech that that model— say that in his speech that that model was now out of date and it needed _ model was now out of date and it needed a — model was now out of date and it needed a revision and plaid cymru clearly— needed a revision and plaid cymru clearly they might clearly feel that wales _ clearly they might clearly feel that wales would benefit in billions there — wales would benefit in billions there. when you look through it as well, _ there. when you look through it as well, it— there. when you look through it as well, it appears as though as a party— well, it appears as though as a party that— well, it appears as though as a party that over the years has shared many— party that over the years has shared many policy — party that over the years has shared many policy areas and many ideas with labour, this manifesto does

the party's leader, rhun ap iorwerth, said his party would "fight every day" for the billions owed toles correspondent hywel griffith was at the launch in cardiff. no election buying of flowers, i guess? there's a big occasion coming, and plaid cymru want voters focused on their finances. it claims wales is being short—changed and needs a new funding model — even though public spending per head here is already higher than the uk average. you want more money for wales — who gets less? of course, this is a uk government decision. as things stand, london gets more than anywhere else within the united kingdom. wales has the need. it needs better public funding than we presently get. i am arguing here for wales, because the needs here are so self—evident. so what would they do with any extra money? the manifesto pledges include recruiting 500 new gps and an extra £20 per week in child benefit. there's also a promise to eventually rejoin the eu. there'd be tax increases, too. the message pitched towards traditional labour voters, drawing them towards a nationalist party, careful not to scar

please welcome the leader of plaid cymru, rhun ap iorwerth. applause just

that is the message that rhun ap iorwerth is the message that rhun ap iorwerth is trying to get acrossaw rhun ap iorwerth taking _ of h52, for example. we saw rhun ap iorwerth taking aim _ of h52, for example. we saw rhun ap iorwerth taking aim at _ of h52, for example. we saw rhun ap iorwerth taking aim at both _ of h52, for example. we saw rhun ap iorwerth taking aim at both labour- iorwerth taking aim at both labour and the tories during that speech. he did. you know, up until very recently, plaid were in a co—operation agreement with labour in cardiff bay, it does not mean that they were completely joined at the hip, but in many policy areas they came to an agreement so that things could get passed through. they pulled out of that not long ago. i think they were for seeing that an election would come up. ever since then, they have started taking aim at the labour party. you know, the main message, it has been for quite awhile from rhun ap iorwerth and plaid is, as i mentioned, they have been in opposition in wales for a number of years, they have, in his words, they have been able

let me ask rhun ap iorwerth, why are they i ask rhun ap iorwerth, why are they mainly men? danger here in portraying the movement of people are something it isn't. and wendy spoke about refugees in fairly negative terms, but in positive terms when it came to people who came from ukraine. and i'm so proud of the actions that wales took in relation to ukraine. my daughter works looking after refugees that came from afghanistan, and it gives me an immense amount of pride to know that wales has been serious about being that century for people in need. we have international obligations when it comes to refugees. in terms of people, economic migrants, we need to be able to persuade some people, more people, to come to wales, to merthyr tydfil, for some parts of the economy, for health and care, for example. we need to have properly resourced processing facilities, so that people who need to be sent home, if it is safe for them to do so, because they don't meet the threshold for being able to come to the uk, we need to have a properly resourced. but that's the complete mishandling

and so rhun ap iorwerth, their leader, was on the programme this morning and we asked him specificallyions, which presumably were the welsh elections — we should change that, i'll just say. we asked their leader, rhun ap iorwerth, who was with us this morning exactly that — they used to demand a referendum on independence for wales, they now are arguing for a consultation, and as newscasters know, a consultation does not a concrete plan make. and his defence is, "look, we haven't given up on it at all, but this isn't an election where it's about that". but it's interesting because it's quite similar to how the snp have backed away somewhat from their sort of, you know, very clear strong demands for immediate decisions, immediate votes on independence. but it's interesting to see how plaid are positioning themselves, and like all of the other smaller parties, apart from reform, they're saying more money for public services, biggertaxes. and you're right, one of the fascinating things about this campaign, it's possible that the smaller parties altogether will have the biggest total share

rhun ap yorwerth.ry poll has reported a fall in the conservative support and nearly all, a narrowing of the conservative lead over reform. so what last week was an average eight point conservative lead over reform has now halved to just four points. and standing atjust 20%, conservative support is now at its lowest ever in british polling history. mr sunak, whose own personal ratings have clearly fallen, must be beginning to doubt his decision to call the election early. not that labour have had it their own way. like the conservatives, their support is also down by two points. labour are being challenged by the greens, still on 6%, and the liberal democrats, whose vote, up in every poll this week, now stands at 12%. much more on the uk election on our website. they call it "panda diplomacy". china's premier, li ciang, says he'll send australia two new pandas, as beijing looks to cement improving ties with canberra. mr li made the offer at adelaide zoo during a four—day visit to australia , the first b

the party's leader, rhun ap iorwerth, said his party would "fight every day" for the billions owed tordiff. no election buying of flowers, i guess? there's a big occasion coming and plaid cymru want voters focused on their finances. it claims wales is being short—changed and needs a new funding model, even though public spending per head here is already higher than the uk average. you want more money for wales. who gets less? of course, this is a uk government decision. as things stand, london gets more than anywhere else within the united kingdom. wales has the need. it needs better public funding than we presently get. i am arguing here for wales because the needs here are so self—evident. so what would they do with any extra money? the manifesto pledges include recruiting 500 new gps and an extra £20 per week in child benefit. there's also a promise to eventually rejoin the eu. there'd be tax increases too. the message pitched towards traditional labour voters, drawing them towards a nationalist party, careful not to scare them away. in your speech you covered a lot of ground. ther

scotland, england and on iplayer, while viewers in wales can see his interview with plaid cymru leader rhunconomy failed to grow last month after particularly wet weather put off shoppers and slowed down construction. it is still recovering more broadly from last year's recession, but it does follow more than a decade of disappointing growth and highlights the challenge facing whoever wins the election. our chief economics correspondent dharshini david has been going through the figures. in an election campaign centred on the economy, these numbers have made a splash. after rebounding at the start of the year, things stalled — zero growth, as the wettest april in 12 years hit retail, restaurants and construction. areas such as computer programming and publishing did better, and growth overall should improve over the summer. but step back and there's a bigger challenge. this line is how growth, income per person, performed in the years up to the 2008 financial crisis. the dotted line is where it could be if it had continued on that path. but actual growth since 2008, this line, has been a fr

couple of weeks have given a chance to the leaders of some of the smaller parties to flash their wares, rhunty has three out of forty welsh westminster seats and its manifesto wants more public spending, and bigger windfall taxes on energy companies. he's been speaking to laura kuennsberg. in 2021, you stood for a referendum on welsh independence, but now you're only offering a consultation. so why have you backed off that haven't backed off at all? i was listening to brian cox speaking earlier. it's right there on page one of our manifesto. you're my firm belief that i've had all my life that wales won't reach its potential until we have all those levers of change in our own hands. i believe it's in the hands of the people of wales what the timescale is for that. but interestingly, listening to brian cox, he was talking... we clearly see the world in the same way. i believe in independence, but i'm not an isolationist in any way. i'm an internationalist and i see welsh independence as part of the redesigning of the uk, where as independent nations then would work very, very closely together

need immigrants and we got that from redknapp. the country might need immigrants and we got that from rhunplied carla denyer for the greens and stephen flynn from the snp. we need to stop the vile and expensive rwanda flights. we need safe passage into this country and we need to realise that we need immigration for the interests of our. health system, our care system and our economy. whether they're coming here, fleeing violence and persecution as asylum . seekers, or whether they're coming here to work in many of our- understaffed sectors like health and social care, if you meet- a migrant in the nhs, _ they're more likely to be treating you as i was the last time i saw a gp than that, - than being ahead i of you in the queue. there's also a conspiracy of silence on one other issue, and that's brexit, because brexit has impacted the economy more than the covid pandemic. it has put your food bills up completely unnecessarily, it has been an unmitigated disaster for the economy, and... it's really interesting to hear them all together like that because we were talking about at the beginnin

nick robinson also interviewed plaid cymru's rhun ap iorwerth about how his party would handle the economyat those oil and gas companies pay more of a windfall tax, that the corporate pay more, that those who have the huge amounts of wealth are targeted through a wealth tax, so through a fair taxation system. the social democratic party has published its election manifesto — saying it wants to address what it calls the epidemic of family breakdown. it is proposing tax relief forfamilies raising children and said married couples should have priority for council houses. if you're a couple raising children, you won't pay any tax for the first £25,000, and that would make a massive difference to household budgets and take some of the pressure off parents raising children. the ship on which the explorer ernest shackleton made his final voyage has been found on the sea floor off the coast of newfoundland in canada. shackleton had a fatal heart attack on board the quest in 1922, on his way to the antarctic. the ship remained in service for another llo years before finally sinking in 1962, as rebe

we'll be speaking to rhun ap iorwerth, the leader of plaid cymru at 08.30.eople at risk. doctors in emergency care units have reported treating patients with potentially deadly complications linked to drugs like like ozempic, which is prescribed for obesity and type 2 diabetes. elon musk, the chief executive of tesla, has had a record—breaking $56 billion pay package approved by the company's shareholders. a judge blocked the deal earlier this year, because of concerns about mr musk�*s influence over the board. it is not yet clear if the same court will accept the result. pope francis is expected to urge world leaders to adopt ai regulations at the second day of the g7 summit in italy. he will be the first pope to participate in g7 discussions, after warning injanuary against the what he called the perverse dangers of artificial intelligence. earlier, we heard from our rome correspondent mark lowen, who told us what we could expect from today. it is the first time ever a pope has attended a g7 and giorgia meloni of italy said she was proud of that. the pope

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rhun ap iorwerth, the leader of plaid cymru.een labour party and the tories. both parties want to be seen as a binary choice. that was exacerbated by the it debate the other night. fie choice. that was exacerbated by the it debate the other night.— it debate the other night. no more iranorin it debate the other night. no more ignoring wales _ it debate the other night. no more ignoring wales at _ it debate the other night. no more ignoring wales at westminster. - it debate the other night. no more ignoring wales at westminster. isl it debate the other night. no more | ignoring wales at westminster. is it a campaignfor ignoring wales at westminster. is it a campaign for independence? irate ignoring wales at westminster. is it a campaign for independence? we are ianored b a campaign for independence? we are ignored by westminster _ a campaign for independence? we are ignored by westminster and _ a campaign for independence? we are ignored by westminster and that - a campaign for independence? we are ignored by westminster and that

the lib dem's ed davey and rhun ap iorwerth from plaid cymru. with us in the studio for labour and the conservatives this week, the man who wants to be health secretary, wes streeting and mark harper, who hopes to stay as the tory transport secretary. last time you were here, we asked the six steps?— the six steps? establish secure border command, _ the six steps? establish secure border command, crackdown . the six steps? establish secure | border command, crackdown on anti-social_ border command, crackdown on anti—social behaviour and train teachers. _ anti—social behaviour and train teachers, can i be forgiven? gur teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must — teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must have _ teachers, can i be forgiven? oi" viewers must have to decide! teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must have to decide! i l teachers, can i be forgiven? our - viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer h

the party's leader, rhun ap iorwerth, said his party would "fight every day" for the billions owed toing and plaid cymru want voters focused on their finances. it claims wales is being short—changed and needs a new funding model, even though public spending per head here is already higher than the uk average. you want more money for wales. who gets less? of course, this is a uk government decision. as things stand, london gets more than anywhere else within the united kingdom. wales has the need. it needs better public funding than we presently get. i am arguing here for wales because the needs here are so self—evident. so what would they do with any extra money? the manifesto pledges include recruiting 500 new gps and an extra £20 per week in child benefit. there's also a promise to eventually rejoin the eu. there'd be tax increases too. the message pitched towards traditional labour voters, drawing them towards a nationalist party, careful not to scare them away. in your speech you covered a lot of ground. there was one word was missing. can you guess what it was? carry on. independ

welsh economy, into the welsh nhs and for an increase in child benefit, according to the party leader, rhun whatsoever that is inevitable about our poverty as a nation, nothing intrinsic to our people, which means we cannot create a thriving economy and world class public services given the tools that we need. so to the next uk government, we say this show you are serious about wales and resolve the long standing fair funding issues. we have heard a lot from plaid cymru premised on the thought that it will be labour in charge in westminster. it seems to be pitching for labour voters, particularly in key seats, and appealing to them with comments on wanted an end to the war in the middle east, recognising palestine as a state. the ambition is to have free university education again. one ambition not mentioned in the speeches, buried on page 42, is independence. it is not a key part of the message in this election. thank you very much. violent clashes between protestors and riot police have taken place in buenos aires. demonstrators threw petrol bombs and stones, setting cars alight during a

have given a chance to the leaders of some of the smaller parties to flash their wares — including rhund off that? haven�*t backed off at all. i was listening to brian cox speaking earlier. it�*s right there on page one of our manifesto. you know my firm belief that i�*ve had all my life that wales won�*t reach its potential until we have all those levers of change in our own hands. i believe it�*s in the hands of the people of wales what the timescale is for that. but interestingly, listening to brian cox, he was talking... we clearly see the world in the same way. i believe in independence, but i�*m not an isolationist in any way. i�*m an internationalist and i see welsh independence as part of the redesigning of the uk, where as independent nations then would work very, very closely together. but this isn�*t an independence election. this is about getting fair play for wales in the here and now. but it�*s what you believe so strongly, though, why not have in your manifesto actually a demand for a referendum? because a consultation, we hear it often from politicians in this studio on

green party co—leader carla denyer will appear alongside plaid cymru's leader, rhun ap iorwerth, andearlier this week. meanwhile, the two main parties are still putting out policies ahead of their manifesto launches. labour says if it wins power, it will make permanent an existing government scheme designed to ensure first—time buyers can access low—deposit mortgages through the state acting as a guarantor for part of the loan. the conservatives have put forward plans to allow high earners to keep more of their child benefit. the party says if it continues to govern, the threshold at which parents start to lose child benefit through a tax charge will double to £120,000. and it's committed to a previously announced proposal to assess claimants as a household rather than an individual. plenty still to be digested and scrutinised as political parties continue to vie for votes. leila nathoo, bbc news. donald trump has taken part in his first campaign rally since he was convicted of fraud last week. he took questions from voters in arizona, a key battleground state. extreme heat left 11 p

the snp, represented by their westminster leader stephen flynn, and from plaid cymru, represented by rhunl have the job of trying to keep everyone under control, will be trying to moderate the debate, make sure that the audience get to ask their questions and get real answers. the parties, of course, will be looking to get their messages across and also to get those moments that really work on social media. but the most important people tonight are you, the audience at home, the audience here in the radio theatre, as the parties try to get their messages across to you and look at what you take away from the whole evening. you can watch all of the build—up to tonight's debate the 90—minute debate starts at 7.30 on bbc one and iplayer, and there will be full live coverage on the bbc news website, too. labour is reportedly directing its activists to help campaign in areas that it won by significant margins in 2019. these are seats with large muslim populations, that may be disaffected with the party's position on the war in gaza. our religion editor aleem maqbool has been to one of the const

did you is it's rhun ap yorath. did you like my welsh accent?, yeah. >> and you're fluent. >> and you're fluent. >> wound up your. this is not rune up. yourth. i don't know who this is, but they are speaking at the moment. >> but we will come when the leader comes because i know everybody is watching. and listening is on the edge of their seat. to hear the plaid cymru manifesto launch. obviously >> and what? >> and what? >> jonathan, why are you laughing? if you're welsh, you very well may be. >> and we need to take. >> and we need to take. >> and we need to take. >> and can i just say jonathan here is laughing now jonathan is one who's just talking about having a proportional representation system. >> it would probably mean a party like plaid cymru would be in cabinet. >> well, they're not going to be in cabinet. no, they could have a seat. >> they can have a seat in government. >> but i'll tell you one thing, i wouldn't actually i wouldn't actually i wouldn't actually complain because fringe party, i thought, i thought their leader , thought,

rhun ap iorwerth, has been , perhaps not making the been, perhaps not making the biggest splash.nything, in 2015, everyone sort of said, oh, we quite like the, the plaid cymru leader at that time, leanne wood. she made her she made quite a name for herself in that seven way debate, i'm not sure that rhun ap iorwerth has particularly made the same splash, although he did use to work for the bbc for quite a long time . but he for quite a long time. but he took over the leadership around last year. >> oh well, let's get reaction to labour's manifesto with chief secretary to the treasury laura trott . trott. >> this is labour's tax trap manifesto . it only contains tax manifesto. it only contains tax rises. no tax cuts. under labour's own published figures. it will take the tax burden to levels never seen before in this country. and that doesn't even include the £2,000 of taxes which are going to levy on every working family across the country. so it's not actually so much what is in this manifesto. it's what's not in this manifesto, because labour have not ruled out taxing your home

he'll also be speaking to plaid cymru's rhun ap iorwerth.ever mind. we'lljust find something to do. the train strikes for sure have been a bit of a problem for us because a lot of the town itself is reliant on tourism. things do seem to be brightening up as many people start feeling better off despite the wet weather putting a bit of a dampener on economic activity in april. however, we've got a lot of catching up to do. some say that we could be up to £11,000 worse off than we might be because growth over the last 15 years, because of things like the pandemic, the war in ukraine has been a fraction of what it was before. so have we turned a corner? in newcastle, experiences are mixed. i'm not complaining, because i know there's a lot of people worse off than me. ijust think it's getting worse for people. you know, i think the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, in my opinion. but i don't think anything changes really, does it? things willjust start moving in the economy again. - people have more money. in their pockets, spending it in

green party co—leader carla denyer will appear alongside plaid cymru's leader, rhun ap iorwerth, andeform uk earlier this week. meanwhile, the two main parties are still putting out policies ahead of their manifesto launches. labour says if it wins power, it will make permanent an existing government scheme designed to ensure first—time buyers can access low—deposit mortgages through the state acting as a guarantor for part of the loan. the conservatives have put forward plans to allow high earners to keep more of their child benefit. the party says, if it continues to govern, the threshold at which parents start to lose child benefit through a tax charge will double to £120,000. and it's committed to a previously announced proposal to assess claimants as a household rather than an individual. plenty still to be digested and scrutinised as political parties continue to vie for votes. leila nathoo, bbc news. 0ur correspondent hannah miller is outside bbc hq for us. the parties will have been prepping for tonight's debate, all wanting to get their messages out, yet within the last hour

rhun ap iorwerth found time to thwart labour's lack of vision. not. >> there was a feeling i was still working as a as a journalist back in the 90s when tony blair came in, at least there was a feeling of something different happening and never one to keep his powder dry. >> reform uk party leader nigel farage spelt out his frustration with today's political leaders. >> i think this has been one of the worst general election campaigns so far between the two main parties i've ever seen in my lifetime . it isn't just that my lifetime. it isn't just that their leaders are dull. don't really, well, very dull. in the case of labour. i mean sort of sort of blair without the flair. i mean, the real leader of the labour party is here tonight on the stage. at least she's got some personality. vie, i love that phrase . i just want to go that phrase. i just want to go quickly to one of your messages that's come in album says i'm blair without the flair is my new favourite phrase to describe labour savage nigel farage. but i mean , a lot of people are i mean

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rhun ap yorwerth said he would increase spending and public services, which have been cut all over there the parties stand. they have a clear idea of each other and i think we are going to see them those arguments hone in on some of the key themes. now, you were talking bare about the cast of characters. we are going to see, i'm sure, labourand characters. we are going to see, i'm sure, labour and the conservatives, they know that they are sort of trading blows, particularly on that issue of tax, so they will be pushing bats, labour pushing their manifesto today, no surprises. at the conservatives want to say, what about the other things that you didn't mention in there? labour are saying, well, but conservatives have artie put taxes up so you are not in a position to lecture us. the other parties these debates are the ones where they get the opportunity to put themselves forward on a stage in front of everyone. so the liberal democrats, the scottish nationalists, reform uk... the greens, all of them trading blows that we might see from the bigger party. taste that we might see from th

labour leader vaughan gething, first minister and wales' labour leader vaughan gething, plaid cymru's rhunls, so we are expecting a lot of poking and prodding between politicians this evening. and with politicians, you're also expecting it at the politics. the number of seats is going down in wales, it is now 32 because of boundary changes, and it is also a lot of changes about the sort of power that westminster wheels over wales, and how much of it should be controlled in wales and how much should be uk governments lead. so an awful lot going on today in wales, but there's also another element to this which is the audience. 100 members of the public have applied to be here, they all have different views, different voting intentions, and some of them are still undecided, so inevitably, the poking and prodding from the audience to the politicians here in wales is likely to be the thing that brings the most interesting interactions this evening. thank ou, interactions this evening. thank you. lucy. _ interactions this evening. thank you. lucy. l— interactions this evening. thank you. lucy. i