and sally buzbee, as editor—in—chief, did what is what is perfectly appropriate, which is to give here. that's perfectly appropriate. in most cases — i've been in that exact same situation — you say, "ok. "thanks for letting me know. "good luck. "i look forward to reading the story." but he actually questions her judgement in doing the story and expressed his disapproval. and on that — sorry to interrupt — a spokesperson for will lewis has denied that he pressured buzbee to quash the article — that's according to npr. and, katie, we're going to bring you in here as well to give us some context on some of the connections between what's happening in the washington post now and alleged events in the noughties. exactly. because will lewis — people here who follow journalism will have heard of him, of course. he's got a strong pedigree as a business and investigative journalist. he was later hired by rupert murdoch in 2010 as group general manager at news international, which was later renamed news uk. and when the phone—hacking scandal broke that vivian was talking about, he was working d

he fired, uh, sally buzbee, who was the editor in chief, until again a few weeks ago after she turnedof the third newsroom. and he installed one temporary editor and then a permanent editor. uh, the temporary editor was matt murray, who was actually a very well—liked former editor of the wall street journal. that's the temporary editor. and then the permanent editorto come in, um, around election day is his old mate and colleague from the uk, uh, robert winnett. and that's when everything started to unravel. and one of the details here, which has got so much attention inside the washington post and outside, is that there is an allegation which will lewis denies, that he behaved inappropriately when discussing with sally buzbee a story that was going to reference him potentially. yes, that's exactly right. there are several, um, incidents that have happened in the last month and then a lot of other things from his past and from, um, robert winnett's past as well, that have emerged. but what you're referencing is, uh, because will lewis is part of the lawsuit by prince harry and others

and so what happened this week is after he dismissed sally buzbee as the executive editor it was revealed according to sally buzbee is account that she told others that he pressured her and breast his dissatisfaction with the washington post covering this lawsuit, which of course mentioned the allegations against him, the hacking scandal, than an npr reporter came out and said that he tried to kill that story and npr and so it's really caused a lot of backlash that he's still going to have to deal with in the months ahead. >> yeah. right. oliver darcy for us. thanks so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back chasing life with dr. sanjay gupta. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts, everyone sees meanwhile, at a vrbo, when other vacation rentals are just for likes, try one, you'll actually like today at america's beverage companies are models might still look the same, but they can be remade in a whole new way. thanks to you, we're getting bottles back and we've developed a way to make new ones from 100% recycled plastic, new bottles made using no new plastic. you'l

we should say that on monday, sally buzbee, we heard, was leaving her role as the washington post's executive. and will lewis, who's the ceo of the washington post, said, "we are losing large amounts of money. your audience. this is to staff. "your audience has halved in recent years. people are not reading your stuff. i can't sugar—coat it any more." so the washington post is looking to change its strategy. but coming back more broadly to donald trump, this is a question we've asked a number of times on the media show over the years, but it doesn't make it any less pressing. you've called the election consequential and unusual — i'm sure there are other words you would use, too. how do you, as the editor of a hugely consequential magazine and publication in the us, approach the challenge of covering donald trump? and i'm interested to ask andrew and caroline the same question afterwards. you know, we... we had this problem in 2016, where we were trying to... you know, we were following the old rules, you know, to some degree, which is... and the old rules were the old rules of coverage, what

has been a big shake—up on the editorial board of the washington post. 0ut goes executive editor sally buzbeehief of the wall streetjournal. after which robert winnett, deputy editor of the telegraph media group, will take on the new role of editor. but what is perhaps more interesting in this announcement is that the post intends to restructure itself into "three newsrooms", one of which will will be comprised of service and social media journalism, run separately from the core news operation. a multimedia, fully—digital newsroom, which is how the bbc and others have been repurposing their offer. so what does it mean for the way we get our news? joining me now is brian stelter, special correspondent at vanity fair. i been reports for several months of the magazine feature and what i have sensed at the post is a real sense of decline. for several years now, profits of turn to the losses, digital subscriptions of the declining in the posters lost a lot of its mojo. in some of the plan the executive editor was. forced out overnight and was replaced by two men, there is a real conversation about

the extremely low-key sally buzbee without so much as a one line thank you for your service. founder's entitled to make a change. she wasn't interested in the shake-up. turns out she had clashed with the post's ceo, will lewis, over his role long ago in a british hacking scandal involving rupert murdoch tabloids. she said there would be a story on any ties to lewis who's always denied wrongdoing. lewis, the ceo, said that a wasn't newsworthy, that she was showing a lapse in judgment and hung up. sorry, the is subject of a news story doesn't get to dictate whether it's worthy of publication. when a judge added lewis to the case, the post ran the story and that hastened buzbee's decision to leave. the new editor occupying the post will be robert wanette, all this creating a sense of whiplash. a at a con chen white house meeting, people are not reading your stuff, not an us a a pushes if debut. if. >>> espn host pat mcafee, a former top nfl place, says he was trying to praise the rookie phenom when he referred to her as, quote, one white b-word for the indiana team who is a supe