i think my conversation with getaria explains getaria explains just how complicated amie parnes this all becomes. should he decide he's not going to run right yes. >> it becomes much more complicated and you're hearing already. i mean, there is the party is divided. and then if this happens, if he decides to step down, there's the potential of it being even more so divided for a little, a little while because there are lots of people who feel like kamala harris, this is this is her right to be the nominee that she was campaigning with, that she was his vice president. she deserves this. and then there's this other school of thought that an open convention is what's needed donors in particular, i've been told by so many donors are really pushing this it's idea, they want, they don't believe she can win. they want an open convention. they think that that's the best way. they think that can generate excitement. but then you're hearing a lot of pushback from lawmakers. aoc came out yesterday saying, look, an open convention would be a disaster. and plus michael, you add in, we're running