and he said jean wolf, who writes these thick catholic novels . and i said, why? and he said, because he is connecting to the deepest stuff. i said why didn't you do that and he said because i would have to go back to being a catholic. i thought, well of course, we can't do that. there was a revelation they are that the artistic mind that this guy really, truly had, recognizes that if you are going to write the best stuff you will have to reach beyond cleverness and reach beyond human and toward the deep stuff of being with the universe is made of and how we run with the grain of it or fight our way across the grain. that is the kind of opportunity for that kind of art, offered only to the religious. >> you are forcibly required to become spiritual if you want to become an artist. you have to gain the spirit. >> i don't think that is truly correct, you have to but you won't gain the highest spirituality of the art. >> the thing is that people open books because they want to be changed. they look at paintings because they want to be changed, they listen to music be

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