khrystyna shevchenko talked to him about why exactly donbas became a region where the russians managedpread separatism. in your opinion, why was there an opportunity for russian peace in donbas? i think russia's main goals in 2014 were to capture dnipro, odesa and kharkiv, if they captured these three cities, then the rest of what putin called novorossia would fall into russian hands. as far as i can tell, russia had no particular interest in donbass. for them, donbass is, so to speak, an industrial wasteland. this region. difficult to understand and manage. donbas has always been a problem child for politicians. yes, donbas fell into russian hands, but i don't think it was predetermined. i do not believe that russia really, really wanted donbas. russia wanted much more. of course, kharkiv or dnipro are much more attractive places. but still, why was it possible to capture donbas, and not such cities as? kharkiv or odesa. the penetration of russian agents into donbas was deeper than in kharkiv or odesa, due to the fact that it is closer to the border. but at the same time, donbav was a