so we will be right back with more from ron klain. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. go to dealdash.com and see how much you can save. >>> i am vice president of the united states of america. the president sets the policy. i am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying women, women marrying women and heterosexual women and men are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties and quite friendly, i don't see much of a distinction beyond that. >> ron kane is still with us. for me, one of the things that was so surprising about that moment was the vice president getting ahead of the president. if you said to me which vice president got ahead of the president on policy, i never would have picked joe biden because he is so careful about his professional approach to those roles. how did that happen? >> i think the then vice president didn't think he was getting ahead of presidential policies. i don

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but you point out that ron klain is the chief of staff.ke the chief of staff outside the white house, still, because he is controlling jeff zients who is controlling the president. >> well, it's broader than that but you have got the whole democratic machine that had to devil's bargain four years ago that said joe biden is going to be the presidential candidate, kamala is going to be the vice president. and then they all got together, elizabeth warren, bernie, obama, everybody got together and said this is the ruling package we're going to have. and that package all got exposed on thursday night. it's all falling apart. they are in total chaos. donors are fleeing. and president trump is looking stronger than ever. >> brian: number one, thanks thanks for having me at your place yesterday. as comfortable as he looks in a suit. much more comfortable in jeans on your ranch on a horse. what was the difference between my horse and your horse? >> i would say about 15 years. [laughter] >> brian: my horse is 26 years old, right? >> yes. >> brian: r

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if they have the votes is the question, we have to decide who is on the board, ron klain may say donors don't get a say in this, donors get a say in who and how they are going to fund the nominee of their party, they will need money to go toe to toe with donald trump, that is just the reality of politics but if we think about the board being a real fight, we have to have someone you're going to hand the ceo job to and that is one sort of question that seems to be settled. it will be kamala harris but there are doubts whether or not kamala harris is going to be as effective and persuasive and good a candidate as the president she currently serves under and these are the calculations democrats are having. they still haven't had the big meeting as far as we know with the president of the united states telling him they might make a change. what we do know is hakeem jeffries had a conversation with house minority leader with the president, we know he didn't come out terribly strong one way or the other after that but the concern is being conveyed but here is what torched and we will have fun

ron klain laid it out there. their theory of the case. also a hypothetical one. what klain and democratic party are saying take their word for it. these voters may come back to biden. they may be upset about inflation. all that is conditional. so what you have here is basically two different theories of the case, voters will either come back to biden or they have lost them and klain and biden are saying trust us. and what you are hearing a growing chorus on capitol hill we're not certain. >> bill: it's really the obama circle doing most of the pushing here. >> that is clear on the aide side. when you look at former aides, the sort of core people that i got to know when i covered the obama white house are all publicly saying what a lot of democrats in this town and some in the administration or closely are saying privately saying it will be very difficult for joe biden to beat donald trump if he continues to have the kind of debate performances he had and if he is not actually up to either the job or running for president. but you are right. that's the story, bill,

who saw joe biden freeze up at the white house or do weird stuff at the white house, they went to ron klain, the guy who was runnings show and said hey, ron, we got a problem with the top dog. >> lawrence: what should we do here? they said that sometimes they go to the briefings and is he fully engaged, and then the next day there is this new joe biden there that is not responding, that's not being interactive. i guess the big point for today is that okay. you are going to have the press secretary come to the briefing. i mean, on most days. she doesn't do a great job on -- they refer to admirable kirby to pick up some of the slack. but i don't think we need to hear from her. we need to hear from the president. >> steve: absolutely. >> lawrence: i am willing to hear from the cabinet members if they are suggesting the 25th amendment. outside of that, i don't want to hear from the press secretary on the president's mess. >> katie: i'm looking for two things from the briefing. the first is accountability from the press secretary and the white house for accusing people who talking, showing video

whether you like it or not ron klain.hese are the people that drilled him and james clyburn said hey, he was overprepared. really? he was overprepared? the other story is he had emergency call with donors yesterday. not him but his people to assure them that he is not going anywhere. your money is good. joe is still going to win. according to joel sole sar, one of the people on that call they didn't feel assured that things were going to be better. they didn't have anything substantive to say how things were going to improve. big talk that joe can't do anything after 4:00. between 10:00 and 4:00 only time can he get work done. he scheduled the debate. he got all his terms at 9:00 p.m. you saw him five hours into his sun set period. by the way, brings to you a bigger story can you do the job between 10:00 and 4:00? that's a 24-hour job. you notice when you goes out to the g-7 he goes overseas, guys, he needs day off. when he comes home he needs a day off. where is he going after tomorrow? he is will have more days off at t

past forward but the notion that the issue at the debate was the prep process done by people like ron klaineta dunn who have successfully prepped many clients is absurd, it was a bad debate. i have no doubt they were tough, strategic and direct, believe me, i have seen them in action. biden was bad. important conversations about what happens next but if you are directing your ire at prep, you are not talking about the right things, and that prep story came from some of what was understood to be happening within the family and who they blamed for what happened so we'll see where all this goes, a lot of intrigue here. north dakota governor on today's positive legal news for former president trump and the v.p. speculation heating up around the rnc which is coming at us like a freight train very quickly. we'll talk to the governor next. what? the host is coming back. (♪) [birds chirping] [phone dings] meanwhile, at a vrbo... oh my god. what? i got onekeycash on this house. hmm... (♪) whether you're moving across town or across the country, you can count on pods to deliver when we say we will. wh

>> he is the chief of staff and he's got a much lower profile than his predecessor ron klain and he'sof a management numbers guy but, yeah, he's in charge of the staff. and each chief of staff tends to have a different ammo and his is not politics. but he's in a highly political situation being forced to take on some big decisions and assignments, and try and corral the congressional support for joe biden while it's beginning to weaken but he's not a very public guy. >> there's a lot of discussion about hunter and joe biden the hunter even is sort of a de facto chief of staff that he's in a lot of the meetings recently and it's the first lady who is running and orchestrating things. what do you say about that? >> speaker-08: she's a huge influence on him. doctor jill biden the first lady also valÉrie biron '01 his sister has played an important role in every campaign he's had since he ran for the county council in wilmington in the late 1960s. and then of course hunter biden who seems we've got news reports that when they went to camp david he was the guy most emphatic about his fathe

now, ron klain, he's amazing. yeah.ne ever. maybe. i don't know. he's run like every■oep for years. he's done well. he worked with first worked for ron on the gore campathink he re properties intimately involved in that. yeah he did both 's he hillary's he did biden's. yeah. okay so he's a ry experienced he has also known president biden decades and he is a person who can say to him, stop, stop talking, whatever. there are five people on the planet who can do that. them? i think the challenge for president biden is going to be he's a prepper in sense that he often thinkskghat people will judge him for not having data point on everyevery issue. i'm like burn those cards best when he is just agile the moment engaging in the empathetic way the' all we've just described. so that's to be the thing to unrafrom■5au you do with debate prep is you prep all the answers to the questions. a huge q&a document out, but the debate with donald trump is not to be like who knows mab many b. if it was, we'd be in great. yes. great. it's g

and you, ron klain, and the first family we need to talk about this and they've been pushed back repeatedly whenever whenever it's been brought up. >> are there did your sources tell you about topics he's particularly engaged in or there not only then is not just these same people. there is no question i have heard four two years. how sharp joe biden is in his national security meetings. he has special briefing books on ukraine on situation in gaza that go down into very detailed military reports. he has an absolute command of the facts is sharp as can be. you see the evidence of his being a chairman of the foreign relations committee in the senate of his work as vice president on foreign relations. so we're clearly dealing with with two sets of one person and it really needs to be explored according to the people i'm talking to. and i think an awful lot on a major democrats believe this, including some who had made statements to the contrary but this is a problem. it's not going to go away unless it's explicable does this mean doctors reports? i mean, obviously be great if we could have re

ron klain? what cadre have been running the country and allowing the kind of control of the presidency we have had here akin to what you would see in communist countries , where they distort and delude the people of the country? host: any thoughts on the media? guest: some media outlets did focus a lot on his age and ability levels, others that did not. it's a varied landscape. it's not just republican voters that feel that the light hat -- white house has been less than honest about his faculties. when i spoke with congressional democrats over the last month off the record, the term that came up the most was gas lit when it came to their interpretation of what the white house was telling them about biden's capabilities and political standing in the polling data. for the last couple of months the white house was not only shielding voters from the reality of how much that -- biden had been diminished, they were divorced from the political reality of how voters were feeling. it was clear all year

former white house chief of staff for president biden ron klain.ate it. >> thank you for having me. >>> joining us now, jeff mason from reuters. what were you impressions being in the press conference? >> it was a charged atmosphere in the room. right before that press conference started or shortly before he switched up the names of president putin and president zelenskyy. we were all curious to see how it would go. he made a pretty sizable mistake in the answer to my question when he said vice president trump instead of vice president harris. that was the beginning. it was a 50-minute press conference. he ended up taking on a bunch of questions about policy, about his health, about politics and covered a broad range of issues and sort of took it to trump in a way that he didn't on the night of the debate. i think broadly the white house was pleased with it. the campaign was pleased with it. i spoke with a campaign official last night who said, at the very least, he bought himself some time. buying yourself some time is not necessarily all you want

and will be a great president next year. >> president biden's former white house chief of staff ron klain you so much for your time tonight. i'm sure you haven't slept in a few weeks. i really appreciate you being here with us tonight. thank you. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> all right. since last night, kamala harris has been piling up endorsements from the major labor unions in the country. incredibly important constituency in this country in democratic politics, one where the republican party is trying to make a play with the notable exception of the united autoworkers union, a lot of labor unions have already come out and endorsed kamala harris. now uaw previously endorsed joe biden. we're going to speak with the president of the uaw about that next. we've also got minnesota senator amy klobuchar who is going to be joining us here on set. we have so much to get to. stay with us. thanks for being here with us for this special coverage. we'll be right back. tamra, izzy and emma... they respond to emails with phone-calls... and they don't "circle back" they're already there. they w

that, later in the interview, he's asked about these people, these people, he says they all went to ron klain, and said we have a problem. you did not gos to congress or oversight, you go to klain and say, we have a problem here. >> brian: they want to keep it low. >> katie: as if he doesn't know there is a problem. >> steve: like the first lady. there are people in that tight circle, they know that guy we saw on thursday night, they see him all the time. those people close to the president work at the white house. you go to the boss and chief of staff and say, do something about it. ultimately, they did not do anything about it. >> katie: they attacked w"wall street journal" and robert hur, they won't release the audio of that. it has been clear andest and now we're seeing it. >> brian: you say to yourself, if administration was going well and policy strong and he's having problems, one thing. what is more concerning is policy beginning with evita duffy-alfonso the afghanistan and chips act and no one investing in it. nothing is moving and he can't lead and do the job for more thab six hours

weeks.an will george clooney meant another op-ed and a late night visit by the crew whoever that was, ron klainthey will nominate you, congressman. i can see some republicans perhaps giving you a second look. i mean, when does this end?ing >> i'm not on the list especially coming onto fox news. but the point is one of the things i admire about joe biden is his resilience, his toughness. you just don't shirk if you have bad poll numbers. i think this ii kns what frustrd me without whole process. your holes go down so suddenly we talk about a replacement. and i don't think he should havt been embarrassedim publicly.e i have said this many times.ut and i didn't like it went down, but now the party is unified around vice president harris.tht i hope she focuses on the issue. you know, i hope we have atima debate mobilization and deed industrialize a lot of americatl and legitimate concerns.orie and a vision who will bring the new factories and who has the right policies and stop name calling and calling each other of the enemy of the american people but actually address the thissues. rea >> laura: c

anita dunn, her husband and the president's personal attorney bob bauer and former chief of staff ron klain who led the campaign prep. a biden official is pushing back noting how close he is with the senior staff. the campaign is struggling to control the fallout. advisors held a call with donors over the weekend noting how messy the process would be to replace the president at the top of the democratic ticket. chris coons reportedly joined part of that call. >> what we may see and you showed it, is a compelling speech on the beach in normandy or that engaging speech in north carolina. but i'll share with you the criticism some have raised when i make that point. he has a teleprompter and well prepared. we need to see more unscripted and off the record moments. i'm encouraging that. >> the biden campaign is featuring the president's remarks from his rally in north carolina friday. when you get knocked down you get back up is what he says. >> dana: thank you so much. bret. >> bret: top democrats spending the weekend defending president biden's debate performance. one prominent congressman do

election dating back to 1984 including donald trump's victory in 2016, he said today on x spoken with ron klainnd said mr. biden is not jumping out of the race and he can win. we'll see. back to you. >> lisa, this covid about, they filed a claim three hours record time, reporters shaking, getting back and looked sick when he got off the plane, is this shark seeing blood in the water? for the rest of the campaign, every excuse to come out this way? >> as some time they will walk you back and stand behind him a job biden doesn't go anywhere i don't mean this to be mean but will he even be able to walk across the stage by the democratic national convention? at the rate he's been deteriorating they are running against timeline, they have to nine when ohio is demanding the parties to submit the names of the nominees so they are expected to do the roll call from august 1 to meet that deadline. they are running out of time. >> in that soundbite we had, he's talking about how you can't have an open convention and when. a week ago we were playing a piece from him saying we could go in and do open conven

. >> people closest to the president admit the pressure is getting to him including ron klain, his former chief of staff and long time right-hand man and senator chris coons. >> this weekend he will be resting and reflecting in delaware. he has covid now, which will limit the number of events and outreach that he can do. but my message to my friends, my colleagues in the democratic party is we have a great record to run on. a generation of capable of talented democrats and a talented and capable president. we need to move forward together. >> yesterday senator john tester was the second senate democrat to call for biden's withdrawal with chuck schumer's permission. the campaign was not surprised by this. tester is in a tough race and needs to distance himself from the president. the campaign wouldn't be surprised if members in similarly tough races like sherrod brown or bob casey did the same. casey would be more of a blow because of biden's connection to the state. what the campaign does not want to see is more calls for biden to withdraw coming from members in deep blue districts. >> th

>> ron klain, who served in joe biden's senate staff, president obama's white house staff and finally as president biden's white house chief of staff gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >>> tonight, biden passes the torch and defends his legacy. the president speaks to the nation for the first time since exiting the 2024 race. >>> then the democrats push to make vice president harris there official nominee. the votes beginning as early as august 1st. >>> the race to pick a running mate is on i will talk to one of the top contenders, governor tim walz as the 11th hour get underway on this wednesday night. >>> deadly nicole once again point i am stephanie ruhle and there are now just 104 days until the election day. as promised, tonight president biden addressed the nation for the first time since he decided to leave the 2024 race and endorse his vice president, kamala harris. this is a man who has dedicated his life to public service. for 36 years he was a senator for the state of delaware. he then served as vice president to the nation's first blac

ron klain or donlin or whoever came? richetti and then she is going to go? you, congressman. you know, i could see some republicans, perhaps, giving you a second look when does this end? >> i'm not on the list. especially after coming on fox news. but the point is that one of the things i admire about joe biden is his resilience. he has a toughness. you don't just shirk if you have bad poll numbers. i think this is what frustrated me with that whole process. i know your polls have gone down, so suddenly we are going to start talking about a replacement. and i don't think he should have been embarrassed publicly. i said this many times. and i didn't like how it went down but now, the party is unified around vice president harris and i hope she focuses on the issues. do you know what i hope we have a debate in country that globalization and decentralized a lot of america in their legitimate concerns and why don't we have a vision about who actually is going to bring the new factories and who has the right policies and stop the name-calling and stop calling eac

. >>> plus, white house chief of staff ron klain will join the conversation with what he sees as the >>> also ahead, the democratic governor of colorado, james polis, and the governor of oklahoma, kevin stitt, will both be our guests. >>> a busy "morning joe" moments away. >>> in 2020, you referred to yourself as being a bridge candidate for a younger, fresher generation of democratic leaders. i wanted to know what changed. >> what changed was the gravity of the situation i inherited. in terms of the economy, our foreign policy, and domestic division. what i realized was my long time in the senate had equipped me to have the wisdom on how to deal with the congress to get things done. i got more major legislation passed which no one thought would happen, and i want to finish it, to get that finished. >> that was president biden during last night's press conference when he was asked about his pledge back in 2020 to indeed be a bridge candidate for the next generation of democrats. the news conference focused on his policy wins but failed to win over some prominent democrats who continu

. >> people i've talked to have all been to ron klain in the last year to say we have a problem. we have a problem such as we saw the other night. that there have been numerous instances where the president has lost his train of thought, can't pick it up again. >> today the biden team is touting their fundraising numbers raising $127 million in june, which they say was the campaign's best month of the cycle. more than $30 million came after the debate. the majority of which they say came from grassroots donations so they see the call as a sign of the president's viability even if a lot of donors remain unconvinced. >> sandra: thank you, madeleine. >> dana: this headline caught our attention in "politico." we've all enabled the situation. democrats turn on biden's inner sank tom post debate. i want to play from carl bernstein from watergate fame. watch here. >> they are adamant that what we saw the other night, the joe biden we saw, is not a one off. that there have been 15, 20 occasions in the last year and a half when the president has appeared somewhat as he did in that horror

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brand-new sound, ron klain, former chief of staff for president biden said this on msnbc. >> fitnesshe prove is serving by him serving with excellence and distinction and continuing the lead the world. bringing down prices at home. doing more to create jobs and grow the economy. the proof that he can be president is that he is president. >> bill: noah. >> okay, so the claim here is because the president exists in the presidency he is therefore fit to serve in office. that is a -- the public does not believe that joe biden has done a good job in this office. he has the lowest job approval rating of any president in the modern era and don't approve of his handling of the economy, foreign policy and don't thing he can bring the country together. the notion that his existence in this office is self-justifying. you can't argue against it because it isn't substantiated from anything. you tell yourself if you try to convince yourself of the validity of the facts around you. >> dana: richard, you have had interesting takes on communication attempts out of this. they don't have necessarily a

and i don't know -- but, i mean, ron klain, you name the advisors who have had close proximity to joeen that could have told the truth or at the very least by the way not lied about such an issue of such import to national security but i want to focus in on someone you're mentioning i did yesterday as well which is kamala harris. if this is a thing that happens and we move on to kamala harris as the candidate for president, i don't know that we can do so without holding her accountable for perpetuating this scandal this coverup on america. >> well now you're exactly right will as a fellow texan appreciate my voice is more groggy because was in texas for a july fourth show i bring that up because a whole lot of fellow texans i represent they were coming up to me saying congressman roy thorning for introducing the 25th amendment resolution because we can't vote the 25th but we can speak out on and a behalf of our people they were thanking me for that and raises questions about kamala harris. the truth matters when you seek the truth you can win and you can win minds in the hearts of the

some focused frustration on allies that include advisers anita dunn, bob bauer, and ron klain, but othersl those allegations false and the biden campaign told nbc news in a statement that the president maintains strong confidence in his most senior staffers. there have been some calls for the president to oust some of his advisers. we've been told that's not going to happen. following his poor debate performance, president biden is now trying to reassure supporters he can beat donald trump saturday night. the president -- he can beat donald trump. on saturday night the president and first lady attended the fund raiser at the home of governor phil murphy. in a speech there, biden brought up the debate, telling attendees this, i didn't have a great night, but i going to be fighting harder. it's the same message he conveyed to a star-studded crowd earlier in the day out in east hampton, new york. that was hosted by a hedge fund manager and several actors including sarah jessica parker and michael j.fox. the president told that crowd he's converted more undecided voters than trump has. he als

here is former biden white house chief of staff ron klain. >> i think that the republicans are tryingo run from and hide their project 2025 agenda, but trump's fingerprints are all over it. it is his people and his plan and president biden said you should google project 2525 and what would happen if he becomes press. >> and explain if you can, less than 900 pages, what exactly project 2025 is. >> that is an effort years in the making by the heritage foundation and a conglomeration of more than 100 other right-wing conservative groups for this project. this is exactly what heritage foundation did back in 1980, they handed over what was essentially a playbook to ronald reagan to implement policies through every department and every agency. and what they have this time around, to hand to donald trump, is 922-page document that again is authored by several of his close former allies and advisers, and i want to just let you look at the social media post that donald trump put out about this amid some of the backlash and the push from the biden campaign for folks to take a look at the polici

the inner circle ron klain and bruce reed go back decades for joe biden and by his side for a long timeand join anita dunn part of the obama team in the white house. this is what the "wall street journal" is saying today. how biden's inner circle worked to keep signs of aging under wraps. get into all the details what's been happening inside the white house. check that out. karl rove joins us now. good morning to you. you've been watching all day. what do you think right now? >> well, i think right now yesterday was a momentous day, a day that biden went out and basically dared people to come out in opposition to him and he knew that by doing so he made it more difficult for people like hakeem jeffries and leader schumer to come out in opposition to him. discouraged senator warner of virginia from pulling together a group of colleagues to play the role that barry gold water and hugh scott played in 1974 with richard nixon when they went to the white house and told him tp -- it has swung back into the hands of biden and more difficult to get him out of the race. they know what's happenin

i'm talking about ron klain, kamala harris, the circle around joe biden that attempted to hide this fromh you know, and then you also add another layer on that when secretary lloyd austin was in the hospital and didn't tell the white house, you kind of wondering, who's new york stock exchange making decisions then -- who's making decisions at the white house? we have a president who potentially can't answer a call before 10 a.m. or after 4 p.m. as a well. i think what's sad about this is just the extent we've been lied to both by this biden administration if as well as the media. if you look at totalitarian countries, you know, what totalitarian leaders do is they control the media, right? because then you control the propaganda, the flow of information. but what's sad about a our country is the media's willingly doing. this. will: right. lisa: and when trump walked down that golden escalator, they a made the decision that defeating trump was more important than telling the truth. joey: it's a progression. right now the liberal media and the democrats a are in this, as george stephanopou

. >> john: ron klain thinks he's doing really well, listen to what he said. >> the present and a sharp game, people see it for themselves, people can see it for themselves the last time the press conference, we saw was much more typical of what we saw in the debate preparations in the voters see every day as he governs and leads the country and campaigns the country. >> john: when i saw that, what's the closest comparison? baghdad bob was something like that? >> i don't agree with the whole sort of perspective or framework of looking at this as that speech was enough to keep him in the race. i think unfortunately for the president, and underscores the fact that voters and democratic lawmakers are watching him with a hawkeye now towards any -- you know, it's a death round of sudden peril at any moment. there is naturally one kind of seminal event that is going to grace what happened on debate night or that's going to erase the polling that shows most voters are very concerned about his mental and physical fitness. it's not going to erase the gaffes that we have seen in the confusion we

. >> lawrence: they had that ad yesterday to governmental see what ron klain said now that the donors and elected have pushed out the only candidate ever beaten trump it's time to end the political fantasy game and unite behind the only veteran of the national campaign our outstanding vp kamala harris. that's more of the fawning and suddenly the remaking of kamala harris. it begins. >> i was national co-kamala harris for president. we're so damn excited my phone is blowing up. going crazy. >> this is a woman who has great public values. she know what is she is in the game fighting for. fighting for people being left behind. >> she is broken and smashed glass ceiling after glass ceiling. enough to we have a prosecutor who they say is going to prosecuted the case against donald trump. >> and she delivers. >> i think somebody like that is really frightening to donald trump. >> only person that i will get out there and break my back for and campaign for and believe in, who is capable and qualified is vice president kamala harris. >> look, it's not about what this country was or what it is

we have the first black woman to ever serve in the senate and former chief of staff ron klain. if you want to connect with me you can go to ari melber.com and put in your email to sign up for my newsletter. and keep it locked right here on msnbc. >>> okay, here we go. we are now 100 days out from the election and just about a week into a brand-new presidential race. kamala harris rides an incredible wave of momentum as donald trump reminds us once again what's at stake in november. pete buttigieg is often mentioned as a possible running mate for kamala harris. he is standing by in the studio and coming up first. plus, senator butler has known the vice president for decades, dating back to her days as san francisco d.a. senator butler will join us live in a few minutes. and later, j.d. vance's comments about childless cat ladies is just plain weird and somehow his attempt at a cleanup only made things weirder. well, it is officially 100 days until the election, so that means it is 100 days to make sure your polling place has not changed. 100 days to figure out if you well vote b

i remember one of the previous biden administration chief of staff, ron klain, was on cnn when the border was melting down , and had the audacity to say that we don't know what to do, we are soliciting ideas on how to get this under control. chad wolf is a phone call away and there's a bunch of other trump administration people who achieved quite essence on the border by the time president trump left office. so, it's a pleasure to be here to talk about immigration today and i look forward to working with them on a host of issues that affect europeans and the united states. dave: and we have the director for tech policy from the united nations. >> i think i'm here to add more color about what counterterrorism looks like terrorism rats look like. i spent 2010 through 2014 going back and forth to afghanistan i as a civilian intelligence officer working with pier 1 special operations units to fight the terrorism problem. when i was here at home, we were working the terrorism issue as well with a particular issue on the terrorists that wanted to come here and blow up things here in our homelan

know that the last thing people around him like jen o'malley dillon who worked for president obama, ron klain want, is to hand the keys to donald trump, and i'm confident that if they didn't think that they could win, and that the president could campaign, he would make the right decision. i mean, nancy pelosi was out here in north carolina with me. she's incredible. she's 84. so aging is different for different people, and that's a personal decision that he has earned the right to make not because he's president of the united states, but because he won the primary and had 14 million votes, and really it is his decision to make, and even the people calling on him to step aside acknowledge that it is his decision. >> martha: do you think those who are calling him to step -- calling on him to step aside are in effect, weakening the candidate if he does stay? >> i don't -- look. i don't believe that. i believe in a robust democracy. i think the president of the united states can't handle criticism from a few members of congress or senators, then he shouldn't be president. you remember donald tru

well, ron klain, who, of course, helped biden prepare for his nightmarish debate performance was in classic spin mode today. watch this. his fitness to serve as proven by him serving and his serving with excellence and distinction and continuing to lead the world, bringing down prices here at home, doing more to grow the economy, create jobs. i think you know the proof that he can be president is that he is president. and i think that's the i think that's the fundamental metric. congressman, the fact is tonight, the new york times is reporting that top democrats who have lent their support to biden in michigan are, interestingly, otherwise occupied tonight as the president takes the stage. and i'm talking everyone from gretchen whitmer to other high placed officials in michigan. what does that tell you? and a state that's as important as that one. it tells me that they don't want to have any parts of what's going on with joe biden, but that's not what they've been doing the last three and a half years. laura, they were there when he did his stupid american rescue plan, which unleashed a lab

. >> sandra: we know ron klain prep him for that debate. one of the many advisors and he is coming to biden's defense. jonathan, much like you on his record proven by serving with excellence and distinction and continuing to leave the world combating russia and ukraine tackling crises here at home doing more to grow the economy, grow jobs he says and prove he can be president is that he is president. however, those in the media who were so quick to judge that debate performance and suggest he needs to get out, rachel maddow says she is worried that when biden cites the polling information like you just did, jonathan, that he is not getting really good data to make his decision with, listen. speak of the reality about polling numbers for incumbent presidents and the real history of that versus what president biden said which was not actually factually accurate as far as i can tell, that makes me worried the president is being given information about his political standing that may not be based in reality. >> sandra: jonathan, she seems conce

. >> members of the president's inner circle like ron klain say yesterday's press conference are reasonh to end the freak out and unite behind biden. hitting the camp. -- hitting the campaign trail today, the president showed no signs of backing down. his next test, another interview on monday and campaign stops next week. amna: despite democratic concerns about biden's candidacy, new pulling out today shows the state of the race has not drastically changed since the debate. to walker's through these new numbers, i am joined by npr's domenico montanaro. the question has been how voters look at this, the latest numbers from pbs and poster that mr. biden is now leading former president trump 50-48 in a head-to-head matchup. when third parties are factored in, he slips slightly but it is still trump at 43% and biden at 42%, what stands out to you about those numbers? >> it's been a marginal race the entire time, not much has changed nationally when it comes to trump versus biden. i also think we still have to take into consideration that there is humongous antipathy toward donald trump. yo