andre lombard, bbc news at the katsi dam, lesotho.at. that's according to the latest charities aid foundation's world giving index for 2024. it places the uk outside of the world's top 20 most generous countries — placing at 22nd — its joint lowest ranking — last seen in the pandemic. so what's going on? neil heslop is chief executive of the charities aid foundation behind the index. who are the best givers, first of all? who are we up against? i'm not sure whether it is we are up against. but we serve 845,000 people in hundred and 42 countries on the top three were indonesia, kenya and singapore and in recent years the uk has slipped down. when ou do the uk has slipped down. when you do the _ the uk has slipped down. when you do the comparisons, - the uk has slipped down. when you do the comparisons, i - the uk has slipped down. when you do the comparisons, ijustl you do the comparisons, ijust wonder, how do you compare and measure? it's quite difficult to measure people's giving in the uk compared to indonesia. would you argue that?