universities, and honor scholars work by bringing their books so the organization headquartered in bloomingtonlo at the universy of indiana has been serving to understand what it means to be in service in the field that we help educators and policymakers. how is it different than the historical association? >> i jokingly call them grandma and grandpa. in the united states working on that whole range including u.s. history all over the world but who specialize in u.s. history so l it's kind of a differen lens. can you be a member of both? >> i am, yes. >> and what is your background field of study? >> i came up through the history department has an undergraduate and then went to the university of california riverside as well as for my graduate studies and i fell in love very quickly with the way in which we shape the land and objects. i've been fortunate to work and served on state commissions and mostly work in a nonprofit world and was running the california historical society in san francisco when this was a very hard t call not to take so i was honored to be in that candidate pool to be the f