, well, he gave theses or verbally what he wanted to say, as if he agreed with leonid makarovych. and as the chairman of the verkhovna rada, well , in a word, i have a heavy feeling that today the world has stopped , including the european one, at a crossroads, if tomorrow, after the end of this war , we see in the bosom of russia, in the russian model, in its presence on this political one. field, i think that we are making a huge mistake, a huge mistake, we are taking the time-out that putin needs most today, in order to then come to the borders of poland, slovakia, bulgaria, and continue to do that evil thing, on to which he saw the russian mission, when, you know, on his own... the question of where is the end of russia, where, where are its borders, from peter i we hear such a historical aphorism that the borders of russia are where her interests end, good wording, then putin's wording of the 2000s, well, to be more precise, it was in 2006 at one of the... language conferences expressed by his wife, the reports that were written in the kremlin, and she voiced the position of the

lukyanenko volodymyr yavorivskyi read this text from the podium, but then leonid makarovych kravchukounced the official, so to speak, text. based on the mortal danger that hung over ukraine in connection with the coup d'état in the ussr on august 19, 1991 , continuing the thousand-year tradition of the state. creation in ukraine, based on the nation's right to self-determination provided for by the un charter and other international legal documents, making a declaration on the state sovereignty of ukraine, the verkhovna rada the ukrainian ssr solemnly proclaims the independence of ukraine and the creation of an independent ukrainian state of ukraine. the territory of ukraine is indivisible and inviolable. from now on , they are valid only on the territory of ukraine. constitution and laws of ukraine. this act enters into force from the moment of its approval. please vote. voting begins. the number 346 is displayed on the scoreboard. 346 is accepted. it was a dramatic moment, there was such euphoria in the hall, we were all wild with joy, we shouted, we roared, that's all, we understo

position of algert brazauskas, its leader, who led the communist party of litvytsk prs, and leonid makarovych in his characteristic manner asked why, for whom i am asking this question, what audience will read it, i told him that this is exclusively for the audience of foreign journalists, and they are simply interested in his position, i would not be bored if he still reformulated it there according to the old zeki rules of some sort, with which... to be interested, no, no, it was that's exactly how the audience will see it, and i told him to the foreigner, well, it was true, i was doing an interview for a foreign correspondent audience, it was like that in the first months of the interfax agency, which then worked exclusively for a foreign audience, huh, what i have not seen his material materials in the soviet union itself, it seems to me that this interview was not even published in any other language than english . and here leonid kravchuk tells me: i believe that the position of algert sabrazavskyi is the only possible position in the situation in which the lithuanian communists found t

people's council had, he counted the votes of the communists, the secretaries reported to him: leonid makarovychmykolaiv region is ready to vote how many people, the donetsk region is ready to vote how many people, and kravchuk was engaged in arithmetic, and when he and budry plyush calculated that there would be 300 and more, they announced an extraordinary session, at which the historic act of declaring an independent ukrainian state was adopted, then one of the last questions i have is very philosophical, so independence is more of a ratio or an emotion, because all of us who sat and looked around and the people who stood on the street, for them it was an emotion, it was a desire, but it turns out... kravchuk sat with a pencil, counted a column or something else, that i have 300 there or 200 so many votes, and this is it, and this is purely such a rational approach, did i understand you correctly, and you also counted, and we counted, and kravchuk counted, it was both ratio and emotion, and here everything coincided, and we got a chance, a chance. to the declaration of an independent ukrainia

, unlike stanislav ivanovich, who told me everything, correctly and stayed at the congress, leonid makarovych, i think, flew to kyiv the very next day, and was elected chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and if stanislav gurenko was elected chairman of the verkhovna rada ukraine, imagine this situation on august 24 , 1991, with your head in the chair. of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, not leonid koravchuk, but stanislav gorenko. i am not sure that we would have adopted the act of independence, that it would have appeared at all. and there would be a confrontation, there would be a struggle. ugh. moscow would try to move gurenko. yeltsin would hardly want gurenko to remain at the head of ukraine, because he would believe that gurenko would claim some higher positions in moscow. that is , anything could be there. and this day, when i am between ran with three of them. to find out how it ends, and i hope i gave leonid makarovich the right direction, yes, the vector of movement, i think it was just star time, but in any case it was you who described very specific manifestations of what is

, you are not a communist, i say leonid makarovich, maybe you will go to kyiv, to kyiv, says leonid makarovychare not a communist, vitaly, how can a communist leave the party congress, well, i went to those, too. unlike stanislav ivanovich, who told me everything correctly and remained at the congress, leonid makarovich, i think, flew to kyiv the very next day and was elected chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and if bstanislav gurenko was elected chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, imagine this situation, on august 24, 1991, in the chair of the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, not leonid koravchuk, but stanislav. i am not sure that we would have adopted the act of independence, that it would have appeared at all, but there would have been a confrontation, there would have been a struggle, ugh, moscow tried to move gurenko, yeltsin would hardly want gurenko to remain at the head of ukraine, so that he would believe that gurenko would apply for some higher positions in moscow, that is, anything could be there, and this the day when the three of me ran between them to fi