mr. phillips as being one of the great technology minds of all time. david, he has lined up directly opposite of the ellison absolutely opposite. >> i don't know if there's -- i did not any there was bad blood. i hope there isn't, but i think that charles phillips is not going to put his name on a deal where we don't know that these people have financing. there's no reason why he would do that. >> i have not spoken directly to phillips. >> he has reputation is on the line here. >> it's my understanding from people who are aware of this that he's made it clear, at least to his fellow members of the special committee, that they should only decide if it's financially a better deal and not be focused on things like certainty of financing. that won't happen, because their advisors won't let that happen, i don't think, and i doubt that they're going to replace those advisors. but we'll be watching. it's going to be more or less decided this week, jim. >> okay, good. i am following the phillips versus ellison saga because nobody else is. and i have to tell you, i want to emphasize again, this is a guy i revere, an