we attended their meeting and, and got some pretty good feedback from them, we also met with sonny schwartz and eileen hurst, sonny sonny schwartz was was the program director of the jail under sheriff's mike hennessy and vicki hennessy, their administration's. and eileen hurst was a, upper management person in the sheriff's department during that era, they were absolutely, a wealth of knowledge in terms of really looking at the operation pre-covid. and, sonny schwartz was, was just had all kinds of information on the programing that was going on. so we were able to get a real good look at what the programing looked like in past years, compared to what it looks like today. and eileen hurst was just, able to provide just such an in-depth history lyrical perspective of the sheriff's department. so i find that they those two will continue to be really, really strong resources, that, you know as we deal with, with and face problems that we have to assess, they're great resources to go to and kind of get an idea of how these issues were dealt with in the past, we also participated in the califor

and, sonny schwartz wasjust had all kinds of information on the programing that we were able to get a real good look at what the pam, in past years, compared to what it looks like today. and eileen hurst was justabove just such an in-depth history, lyrical perspective of the sheriff's department. so i find that they those two will continue to be really, really stronges, that, you know, as we deal with, with and face problems that we have to assess, they're great resources to of get an idea of how these issues were dealt with in the past, we also civilian oversight alliance conference tha by the department of police accountability here in san fransc. so, it was a great conference. i was one of the panelists, along with the naco director of policefennell and accountability, hansel aguilar. and we focused on and had a conversation about racial equity in police oversight. and the importance of racial equitylices very valuable. program that we participate in that day. and i want to thank president sue and board who both attended and engaged in the discus abo these issues. and so it was rea