because ministers over the years just say, "mick whelan, he�*s always resisting change" — and to be fairhat�*s fine. i�*m not claiming i know for a fact they�*re true. we�*ll have to do it fairly headline—ish, because we can�*t go into the micro—detail of trade union negotiations. is it true that rail staff who use a microwave can have paid time off for a medical check? total lie. not true at all? i made my researchers go back through all our agreements, whether i can�*t find an agreement, our head office says... i don�*t know anybody who would agree that anywhere, or anybody would ask for it. 0k — is it true that if your boss says "hello" during a break, that�*s treated as an interruption of the break, and the break has to start again? no — what they�*re meant to do is, say hello to anybody you want, but they�*re not meant to do is ask you for a report or ask you to do any other duty. so, for those of you who don�*t quite know how railway breaks work, you could be ten—and—a—ahlf hours on duty, do five—and—a—half hours in a seat without a break — which is a problem in itself — have a 20

sat there very quietly, waiting in this room for the should be entitled to share a platform with mick whelanent. yes, 15% pay rise. she threw me out. >> what an event. >> what an event. >> it's a private event, i said. it's not a private event. madam, this is the tuc conference. here's the programme. advertise speech by the deputy prime. threw me out. >> there was of course, they raised cain. >> the two seem to be knives allowed back in. and it was a mysteriously trapped in traffic. >> how convenient. >> how convenient. >> get on a platform with mick whelan. so i could have asked her about the up to 15% pay raise on the day they were voting about the winter fuel allowance. >> well, they seem to be. >> well, they seem to be. >> well, they definitely seem to be shying away from any sort of i mean, you know, we've had very few on this on this channel. oh, no, they don't want the full grilling, do they? they don't want they don't understand. >> again, when you work in pr, when you work for a party, friends close, enemies closer, you let people in. >> this is the worst. >> this is the worst. >> t