so i think what you're seeing and sirjohn curtice said this over the weekend, is that the death of the election revealed. and i think it makes it a really complicated job for whoever's going to be tory leader . now, whoever's going to be tory leader. now, i would disagree with what has just been said, because i actually think they should have a long leadership election as they are, because, look, it doesn't matter what political points you score at this point in a five year parliament, it's frankly irrelevant . it's not going to irrelevant. it's not going to change the result at the next general election. what might change it is if they have a serious conversation about what the tory party means, but they haven't had that labour are lucky they don't have the equivalent of reform biting at their ankles, do they? >> do you think the tories are in denial, >> yes, i do, and i think they've got to stop talking about reform kemi badenoch today said reform aren't real conservatives . nobody thought conservatives. nobody thought they were. and she said they're not serious people. stop talking