but when i started anduril it was different. defense was not cool and not the hottest thing. >> before launching anduril he worked on virtual reality head sets in his parents' garage. by 18 he caught the worlds's attention including mark zuckerberg. zuckerberg bought the company for $2 billion. luckey was later ousted. >> i think people think you got kicked out of silicon valley. >> that is because i made a $9,000 political donation. it is for the person to be president that year. >> he means this guy. disputes he was fired for political values but it was a rift so he turned attention to defense and set up shop in california. how did you get interested in defense technology? >> i was able to work as a lab technician on an army project calle brave mind teaching veterans of ptsd before i started oculus. i heard over and over that it was broken and they were being punished for doing the right thing. they made more money when they were over budgets and that got me worried in a world for the first time in american history tech compan

liz: taiwan bought about a thousand of these anduril attack drones.ntioning appropriately, how do you go about looking for these companies? >> it's a great question and castelion is a company and customer of ours and came out of spacex and it's important and spacex and palantir and anduril pioneered and people that work at spacex went to school of elon musk and they learned how to move extremely fast and delivering products to their customer and many cases is the department of defense and castelion is a perfect example and looking for them and use case of dod and that's so essential to the next conflict and it's not another great example for them with a couple years ago and you'd have never been going for this and hypersonic and if you were an engineer and thought with the people that are focused on the innovation and there's a c change and what's happening on the ground in sill von valley and across the -- silicon valley and across the u.s. and working with the department of defense and things that are most critical for this in the case of ukraine an

anduril have shown you can move faster.tartups founded in the past few years, the program we love to point to is replicator, a program focused on working with startups and focusing on production. it's become a core initiative out of the dod under this administration. previous administrations focused on the defense innovation unit. it was building ties to silicon valley, understanding the best engineers in the world are in silicon valley and the dod has to work with them. we look at the private industry side. there's now a talent density. there's momentum, capital. that would mean nothing if there wasn't an eager buyer. the dod has become an extraordinarily eager buyer, supportable working with startups, understanding they need to be more thoughtful about procurement and make it possible for earlier stage companies to sell into the department of defense and also these large legacy primes, who have had no competition for 100 years, now have to work with startups. they have to integrate tech these startups build if they want t