own four properties, even if their day to day income from those four properties is lower than bridget philipson'scome from being education secretary, i think that is what we're learning bit by bit, through every difficult interview, where they can't quite define what all that means. and i completely agree with you. and i think it's tricky, though, for two reasons. one is because the first bit of this government was all about economic growth is our number one priority, our number one priority, our number one priority. there is a tension between that and actually doing this. the second thing is that the public perception of what a working person is if not more important as what the labour party's own definition is. and i just want to read everybody an email that i've had after the programme this morning. i find the reluctance of bridget phillipson to define a working person disingenuous. i'm from a working class background. i'm formerly in the armed forces. i'm the owner of a one man business. i chose to set up my business after years of employment because i saw the benefit of working for myself. i

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